Change of career

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Re: Change of career

Postby Mega Ron on Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:29 pm

As for life coaching I would equate it to the results you get from a PT. Yes you can go out for runs and go to the gym etc but a lot of people achieve better results when they are paying someone to help them.
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Re: Change of career

Postby Hummer_I_mean_Hammer on Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:44 am

Mega Ron wrote:Do you work in demolition Hummer?



No. TBH wouldn't know where to start as its such a specialist field.

Cheers.
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Re: Change of career

Postby Hummer_I_mean_Hammer on Thu Nov 02, 2017 8:47 am

RichieRiv wrote:Expand on what to mean by hitting a brick wall?


Finished my last contract about a month ago, since then can't get a interview, let alone a start for love nor money. Getting quite worried about it now as bills are starting to pile up.
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Re: Change of career

Postby sendô on Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:26 am

Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote:But in a similar vein, can anyone who is in recruitment (engineering/building services/Hard services) take a look at my CV and let me know why I seem to be consistently banging into a brick wall?

Plenty of work about in London at the moment mate from what I've seen?
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Re: Change of career

Postby Mega Ron on Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:58 pm

Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote:[

Finished my last contract about a month ago, since then can't get a interview, let alone a start for love nor money. Getting quite worried about it now as bills are starting to pile up.


What do you do mate?

Send me a pm if you like and I'll see what sort of roles there are at my firm.

PS. My comment re demolition was regarding your comment of hitting brick walls.
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Re: Change of career

Postby Hummer_I_mean_Hammer on Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:32 pm

Mega Ron wrote:
PS. My comment re demolition was regarding your comment of hitting brick walls.


lols. very good.
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Re: Change of career

Postby DaveWHU1964 on Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:01 pm

wizzo_66 wrote:My biggest issue is probably that my current role is very niche - but the skills are broad and incredibly transferable (leaving me with almost too much choice to make an informed decision).

This should, or at least could be a good thing Wiz.

I was a civil servant for thirty years and recognise much of what you say through this thread. Up until about 12 years ago I was very much a generalist manager, well thought of but not sure employers would be queuing up for me in that famous 'outside world' :) were I to go.

Then I found a niche almost by accident which I was good at, but more importantly which I loved. Despite due to awful reorganisations having to move on from that role to others I decided when I finally left that I'd try to make a living doing only things I loved and see what happened.

Anyway, it took a couple of years to establish myself but now as a freelancer I have just added my sixth employer and although the work varies (on a theme) between each I like what do for all of them and don't work for anyone I don't like the look of/ sound of.

I'd never tell you what to do but if it was me (it was once) I'd consider what I liked doing and then whether I could do it for myself or would prefer to do it for an employer (if the former it can take time to build and lack of that last-day-of-the-month employer's pay slip is ****ing chastening, not to mention scary at first.

It pains me to say so but public service conditions and pressures are only going to get worse in the short term. You're only 27 - surprised me that - if you accept that previous sentence as being true then can you imagine how you are likely to feel when you are 37, 47, etc? In my case, I got to 48 and I couldn't contemplate still being there at 50, never mind hanging on until 60 so took my third or fourth offer of VR and ran out the door.

It's a big, scary decision - no one's circumstances are the same. All I can say is that it can work out just fine. Whatever you do, I hope it works out well for you.
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Re: Change of career

Postby DaveWHU1964 on Thu Nov 02, 2017 3:15 pm

Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote:But in a similar vein, can anyone who is in recruitment (engineering/building services/Hard services) take a look at my CV and let me know why I seem to be consistently banging into a brick wall?

Hi Hummer,

Have a look at this style of CV -

http://cdn.prospects.ac.uk/assets/asset ... _based.pdf

if it's the style you're already using then apologies, but if this is one that suits the industries that you're interested in then it can be effective.

The normal 'standard CV' gives an indication that you may be suitable for the role. The one I've linked you to is called a 'skills based CV' and is designed to show that employer that you have the skills to do the job. You'll see towards the top that there is a 'skills and achievements' section - personally I'd just call it 'Skills' or 'Relevant Skills' which lists skills that are key for that particular role so you tell me but in construction I'm guessing that might include things like safety consciousness, team work, attention to detail, resilience, etc. The idea being that you then detail a couple of instances under each skill to show an employer you're their man, or woman :)

(There are better example of that style of CV on the internet but that's a decent example).
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Re: Change of career

Postby AnthraxDave on Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:03 am

I'd say go for it, Wizzo.
I worked in the local Council for nearly a decade. Made me mentally ill around the same age that you are now. Took me a while after the initial recovery to take the plunge, but I left (before I was going to be sacked, probably!) and found a job in Youth Work which is something completely left-field to anything I had ever done before and probably something which people who know/knew me would have thought "WTF?" about me doing.
That was 4 years ago.
Just had my Graduation from my Child & Adolescent Mental Health course, still love my Youth Work job and feel positively happy about life when I wake up 99% of days.
We only live once.
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Re: Change of career

Postby Hummer_I_mean_Hammer on Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:49 am

DaveWHU1964 wrote: but that's a decent example).


cheers, i'll look at trying that out.

how many pages can a CV run to? Bearing mind that I have over 27 years industry experience.

TIA.
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Re: Change of career

Postby RichieRiv on Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:09 am

Sorry I was a tied up yesterday and didn't manage a reply....

Although CV's are important they're not the full story and will not get you hired alone. This is because that's what everyone else is doing so although you may have a smashing CV with years of experience if it's at the bottom of the pile you will be lost. If you then distribute said CV to recruiters you are embarking on the shot gun approach to finding a job. It will be lengthy and hit and miss.

Restrict yourself to 10 recruiters and make sure you build a relationship with them, get to know them as they'll get to know you. If they turn out to be crap, dump them and find another.

For a recruiter finding candidates is easy, but if you build a relationship with them you will with any luck be at the front of their mind when a suitable job comes up. Then your CV becomes simply a tool.

I would also not just rely on recruiters. Look at alternatives like Linkedin or previous contracting jobs you've had. Phone them up and see whether they have any openings. If you've done a good job previously and you're respected they may even create something for you.
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Re: Change of career

Postby DaveWHU1964 on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:05 am

Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote:how many pages can a CV run to? Bearing mind that I have over 27 years industry experience.

TIA.

No more than 2 pages. If you find it going to a third side cut something out.
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Re: Change of career

Postby Greatest Cockney Rip Off on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:52 am

Hummer_I_mean_Hammer wrote:how many pages can a CV run to? Bearing mind that I have over 27 years industry experience.

TIA.


Keep them short and sweet, two pages max I'd say. Forget the mission statement, just get to the point, listing key skills, employment history, references, contact details and outside interests. If employers want to know more, they can ask at the interview. Tailor the CV to suit the job, especially if you're going for a career change but don't bull****.
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Re: Change of career

Postby sendô on Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:53 am

I think the two pages rule is a bit of a myth.

The reality is it needs to be as long as it needs to be, so long as what you're putting is relevant to the job you're applying for, and to the point - i.e don't write pages and pages of guff that a recruiter is going to get bored of reading.
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Re: Change of career

Postby Smonnie on Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:36 am

As a recruiter, let me say this very clearly. DO NOT USE A SKILLS-BASED CV. Always use chronology, newest first. Include a brief personal profile at the top, and put qualifications at the end. A couple of lines on hobbies and interests is fine as long as you have something interesting in there ('travelling', 'reading' and 'spending time with friends and family' are not interests!)

People want to see where you were working and at what times. They want to know your job title and what it entailed. Most importantly, including 2 - 3 tangible achievements per role.

The two page role is b*ll*cks.

I wouldn't encourage going over around 4 pages because it's probably not relevant, but if you have relevant stuff to say - say it. Anything from more than about 15 years ago can just be job titles and dates - this should help you keep the length down.
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Re: Change of career

Postby mushy on Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:59 am

Smonnie wrote:'travelling', 'reading' and 'spending time with friends and family' are not interests!


Just found out I have no interests at all.
What about booing West Ham, does that count as an interest?
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Re: Change of career

Postby EastBrisHammer on Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:07 pm

As someone who has done some recruiting recently make sure you DO put something in the hobbies/interests section. Larger, corporate companies may not be so bothered about it but smaller companies certainly are. I actually got a job once for putting down that I supported West Ham (with a joke in brackets about the resilience I had acquired from doing so). Sometimes when I look through a mountain of CVs and see the same old thing again and again and similar skill sets it gets difficult to decide who to invite in for interview. Sometimes I have to think about who will best fit into our small team so the interests bit can be helpful.

In my line of profession, IT, an alpha-geek can look great on CV but an absolute nightmare to work with and integrate into a team. Bigger places seem less bothered by this (and they consequently wonder why projects run months behind schedule!).
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Re: Change of career

Postby yonni on Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:59 pm

I would avoid anyone calling themselves a life coach unless their spiel matches what you are looking for. I did a search for career guidance about 6 years ago and found a local company offering career change programmes along side their team development, business coaching etc. So right away I knew they were focussed on the right areas. A quick look at their client list (NHS, BBC etc.) told me they were legit and well connected. The programme cost me about £450 (I've just checked and its only gone up to £595 in 6 years). For that I got 2 coaching sessions, CV analysis, MBTI (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myers%E2% ... _Indicator), Highland Abiltity Battery (basically a fairly thorough aptitude and learning styles test) and careers advice. Well worth it for the money. I found out a lot about myself, what I like, what I don't like, and why.

These are the people I used (I live in Edinburgh) http://www.workingcareer.co.uk/individu ... programme/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Change of career

Postby Hampshire Hammer on Fri Nov 03, 2017 5:32 pm

EastBrisHammer wrote:As someone who has done some recruiting recently make sure you DO put something in the hobbies/interests section. Larger, corporate companies may not be so bothered about it but smaller companies certainly are. I actually got a job once for putting down that I supported West Ham (with a joke in brackets about the resilience I had acquired from doing so). Sometimes when I look through a mountain of CVs and see the same old thing again and again and similar skill sets it gets difficult to decide who to invite in for interview. Sometimes I have to think about who will best fit into our small team so the interests bit can be helpful.

In my line of profession, IT, an alpha-geek can look great on CV but an absolute nightmare to work with and integrate into a team. Bigger places seem less bothered by this (and they consequently wonder why projects run months behind schedule!).

I once interviewed someone purely because his interests included wanting to build a robot and compete in robot wars, then employed him on the strength of the interview, after the standard "interests" his stood out.
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Re: Change of career

Postby Smonnie on Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:40 pm

Yes, put interests on but only if they are interesting!
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