The Boleyn Hound wrote:IMy country is careering towards an unknown future in the biggest change in a century.
Rays Rock wrote:
Where as staying within the EU your country is careering toward a very obvious future of collapsed and unfit public services, overcrowding, low wage increase for the many, with no real opportunity to shape our own future due to a backdrop of freedom of movement. As a result of all that a much poorer quality of life, which is already poorer than it was only 15 years ago.
Fortunately, now you can always blame the demise upon brexit can't you.
Hang on, I thought Brexit was meant to improve everything? Why are we talking about making excuses for a future brexit demise all of a sudden?
There are multiple peer-reviewed reports, hidden by Theresa May for political reasons, that show immigration does not have a big effect on wages.
If this is one of the main reasons you continue to support Brexit, then you should be able to provide non-anecdotal evidence that immigration does indeed greatly push wages down.
And you should also be able to explain why our politicians did not halt the 50% of immigration that came from outside of the EU to this country.
Could it be that wages are low because of the nature of OUR system? Could it be that non-EU immigration was not reduced because, contrary to what some tabloids will tell you, it is actually beneficial to this country?
Could it be that the EU has got a lot of the blame because the capital is in Brussels and not London? When Murdoch speaks to the UK Prime Minister, she listens. When he speaks to the EU, they don't.
As I understand it, we hold all the cards (yet today we are blinking first).
We have Taken Back Control (but today Theresa May will be practically begging the EU to have mercy on us)
We will have an extra £350m a week to spend (yet in reality we will have our offer of PAYING £20bn a year turned down).
I was told that German car companies would not let their leaders give us a bad deal (yet days before the German elections, Brexit has not even been a topic).
When it costs me a lot more to buy clothes and food, when the NHS has a severe shortage of nurses, when The Troubles opens a new chapter, and when it is widely acknowledged that we in 2020 are in a worse situation than we were in 2015, then yes, I will be blaming Brexit.
If we end up injecting 350m into the NHS, if we have a fantastic new trade deal with the EU/China/USA/?? that sees a rennaissance in British power, then I will eat my (Made in Barnsley) hat.