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Wasn't he 'pop news' editor of The Sun.........fake news fake news
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Tenbury wrote:Bitter, not sure how much this makes news over your side, but there would seem to be the beginnings over here, of a ( I can't think of a less appropriate term) 'charm offensive' as a general softening up before he finally lands in UK. As such that all round good egg Piers Morgan** was doing the TV studio circuit yesterday saying how your president was ' a fascinating character', who was 'much misunderstood'. I'm sure other political heavyweights such as Farage are being lined up as we speak..
We saw bits of that interview over here, most notably Trump's illuminating thoughts on climate change. Good to know that under his leadership the polar ice caps are at a record high :eh:

He gives his state of the union address tomorrow, and if he can stick to the teleprompter will overstate his accomplishments, mischaracterize his opponents and be a smug, arrogant coqk. He will manage to sell himself in a palatable way, and might even convince some of the persuadables that he really is a stable genius. But that's not the ugly part.

The ugly part is the systematic discrediting of the FBI, in particular the very individuals who (1) can corroborate Comey's account of Trump pressuring him to drop the Russia investigation, and (2) oversee Special Counsel Muller. In addition to bullying from above, they have this insidious group of House Republicans engaging in what I think can fairly be called traitorous acts. They're lead by this little weasely twerp, Devin Nunes of California. They taken classified materials and drafted their own memo that they say is full of bombshell allegations of conspiracies at the FBI and Dept. of Justice. Suddenly the release of the memo is getting bigged up on FOX News and retweeted by thousands of Russian bots. Russians? What a coincidence, right? Today the voted to release their memo (Trump has to sign off) despite the objections of Trump's own political appointees in the Justice Department. They also have denied the opportunity for Senate Republicans to review their "Four Page Document" - which they say with great conviction so you know how important it is. Oh, and they voted against the Democrats being able to release a minority report in rebuttal. They relying on lies and distortion to attack the institutions of government in a very serious way. It's clearly loyalty to one man over the rule of law. It's alarming and I truly hope that at some point in the not too distant future we see clowns like Nunes behind bars.
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Etonhammer wrote:Wasn't he 'pop news' editor of The Sun.........fake news fake news
He was the odious **** sacked from the Mirror for publishing hoax photo's of British troops giving Iraqi prisoners a dig or two.

As for Trump? He's been in the chair for a year and hasn't managed to nuke anyone yet, plus the yank economy seems to be doing OK.
Not bad going for a simple minded orange idiot........
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Etonhammer wrote:Wasn't he 'pop news' editor of The Sun.........fake news fake news
Quite possibly,apologies. I bow to your superior knowledge of UK Redtop's.
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Miaow.......
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Interesting rumours around the McCabe resignation.

it would appear the Republicans are desperate for some information not to become public knowledge.

Don't know yet if there is any truth in it but the rumours would paint BHO and the saintly non-currupt HRC in pretty poor light.
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Etonhammer wrote:Interesting rumours around the McCabe resignation.

it would appear the Republicans are desperate for some information not to become public knowledge.

Don't know yet if there is any truth in it but the rumours would paint BHO and the saintly non-currupt HRC in pretty poor light.
Oh please. This whataboutism is pathetic. Clinton is far from a saint, and if there is any conceivable angle left to investigate she is a private citizen and can be investigated for such. Would have no problem with that, or for disciplining anyone in law enforcement who did not investigate matters according to established protocols. But the real agenda here is to distract, deflect and distort the Russia investigation.

The core issues are:
-Russia interfered in the 2016 elections and are all but certain to do the same in 2018, something acknowledged by pretty much everyone not named Donald Trump
-There have been overt actions on the part of the Trump Administration to obstruct justice, intimidate witnesses, and in other ways impede the Congressional and Special Counsel investigations into these activities.
-There has been total inertia on the part of the Administration to address election interference past, present or future. Just yesterday the Administration announced it would not follow through on sanctions against Russia for election interference that passed with overwhelming bipartisan majorities in both houses of Congress.

Rather than dance about on the political grave of a tragically flawed candidate or engage in more penis envy of the preceding President, why not focus on the most troubling issue facing the nation? Small minded partisanship with an eye towards the past is an intentional distraction. If there really is nothing linked to Trump with foreign interference then why undermine the institutions of government with a personal agenda? If ol' Barry had done 10% of what Trump has there would have been an epic meltdown by those who are contorting themselves now to put one man above the law.
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bitter-iron-ny wrote:It's clearly loyalty to one man over the rule of law. It's alarming and I truly hope that at some point in the not too distant future we see clowns like Nunes behind bars.
On the other hand, we could maybe get Congress to pass an Abolition of the Secret Service bill.

No Secret Service + 2nd Amendment = Adios El Presidente and few others as well.

I feel quite strongly that acting the twat in public office deserves to have a certain element of risk about it.
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has there any thought been given to the idea that Trump & The Republicans might want The Russians to interfere again as it might help them win the midterms ? White Russians being preferable to an ever "browning" other side of the aisle ?
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So the cunning plan of the Trump Administration to short circuit the Special Counsel's is to have their stooge on the Hill, Devin Nunes, a transition team member who happens to be Chair of the House Intelligence Committee.concoct a smear campaign against the DOJ. Yes, the vaunted "memo", some factoids strung together to distort reality in an attempt to undermine the investigation. Very McCarthy-eque ranting and raving using half-truths and outright fiction to assassinate the character of the senior officials of the FBI in order to circumvent the rule of law. If you're interested in the particulars of this sham, here is a good synopsis:

https://www.vox.com/2018/2/1/16955472/n ... se-diagram
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Piers Morgan is a bit upset about a cartoon image of himself and Donald Trump used on the BBC’s ‘The Mash Report’. Can’t stop laughing... :lol:
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York Ham(mer) wrote:Piers Morgan is a bit upset about a cartoon image of himself and Donald Trump used on the BBC’s ‘The Mash Report’. Can’t stop laughing... :lol:
That was bloody hilarious... :lol:
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York Ham(mer) wrote:Piers Morgan is a bit upset about a cartoon image of himself and Donald Trump used on the BBC’s ‘The Mash Report’. Can’t stop laughing... :lol:
I was completely ignorant of it until Morgan tweeted it himself FIVE times. Which of course meant that it got retweeted thousands of times. Now, of course, pretty much everyone in the world has seen it.
Morgan is an idiot :P
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Just breaking, Mueller has indicted 13 Russians for interference in the election which might be good news for the don. Maybe he's going to proven to have not been involved?

At any rate, I don't know how Mueller follows up on bringing charges against these individuals if they're not in the US.
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WCpete wrote:Just breaking, Mueller has indicted 13 Russians for interference in the election which might be good news for the don. Maybe he's going to proven to have not been involved?

At any rate, I don't know how Mueller follows up on bringing charges against these individuals if they're not in the US.
This establishes the underlying crime, which is a required element of establishing a conspiracy.

There's more to come.
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Lots more, I hope.
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Serious question: does the US justice system permit in any way trials without juries on serious charges?

If not, the already convoluted manner by which juries are selected in that country will be put under even further pressure with this new indictment.
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prophet:marginal wrote:Serious question: does the US justice system permit in any way trials without juries on serious charges?

If not, the already convoluted manner by which juries are selected in that country will be put under even further pressure with this new indictment.
Some trials can be heard by judges but I'm not sure what the concern is in this instance. In the US we have grand juries that can bring charges and then petit juries who decide the actual trials. All the charges announced yesterday were brought by the grand jury, so it's not like charges are brought up in the ether. Muller actually has had two grand juries impaneled for some time now, one in DC and one across the river in the eastern district of Virginia. There's a long way to go...
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