carnage wrote:Raab refuses to rule out plans to stockpile food ahead of a no deal Brexit.
EvilC wrote:It's hardly the end of the world, so I'm told.
Well what is the alternative? Is the EU going to carry our some grand blockade on the lines of WW1? Are we going to need food coupons?
This is laughable nonsense.There may be different choices, but I can't see food riots.
Not unless the people of Brighton find it so intolerable they have to replace their Brie and Camembert with good old cheddar that they burn the city down.
Edit that. They are all vegan anyway so probably apathy on that front.
Just as disconcerting as this kind of stupid scare story, is the alarming realisation that there is block of brexiteers inside the commons,so fundamentalist in their belief that the only thing that matters now or in the future is a withdrawal from the EU, and that food riots, mass unemployment, economic catastrophe, etc wouldn't bother them just so long as they achieved their end.
Tenbury wrote:and that food riots, mass unemployment, economic catastrophe, etc wouldn't bother them just so long as they achieved their end.
Do you really think that will happen. Food riots?
Apart from the sheer quantity we make in this country, just how much food do we bring in from outside the EU?
Our farmers would probably see the biggest boost to their trade in decades.
Long redundant docks would become busy bringing in produce from other countries.
You'd think we were some pathetic little island that has no economic clout at all.
How the hell did this country cope through the darkest days of WW2? Now we won't last a a few months against the might of the EU bureaucrats.
All those company car parks devoid of Mercs and BMWs that no longer are imported in droves, I can imagine morale will be so low many salesmen will lose the will to trade.
carnage wrote:Raab refuses to rule out plans to stockpile food ahead of a no deal Brexit.
Nearly every family in Britain does that every Christmas.
Using these elementary levels of judgement and planning seem to be coming as a bit of a surprise to you.
You'll no doubt be surprised when you find businesses, like the average driver, will seek logistics routes and solutions that avoid congestion and will also stockpile parts, supplies etc just in case .
"They aren't planning" - moan
"They are planning" - moan
bubbles1966 wrote:You'll no doubt be surprised when you find businesses, like the average driver, will seek logistics routes and solutions that avoid congestion and will also stockpile parts, supplies etc just in case .
"They aren't planning" - moan
"They are planning" - moan
Source - FT:
Honda now fears that the border checks that could be introduced as a result of Brexit will clog up the process. If Britain were to leave the customs union, Honda estimates European parts will take a minimum of two to three days to reach the plant, and possibly as long as nine days. Delivery times of finished cars may be just as unpredictable.
To a car industry famed for its clockwork tempo, the potential delays pose an existential challenge. A warehouse capable of holding nine days’ worth of Honda stock would need to be roughly 300,000 sq m — one of the largest buildings on earth. Its floorspace would be equivalent to 42 football pitches, almost three times Amazon’s main US distribution centre. And its cost to operate would be as eye-catching as its proportions.
Global Britain sounds ****ing ace, they'll be lining up to invest here.
EvilC wrote:That doesn't sound like Global Britain. Why would you invest in such an inward looking country when you can go somewhere else?
The UK car industry produced more cars in 1972 than it does now, and it used to export heaps of them - and it still exports heaps of them to places beyond the EU - so why characterise everything as a binary outcome?
It's perfectly possible to localise and globalise at the same time.
BILR, Hold up mate, I began by referring to the 'circuit's you'd already rubbished,as a stupid scare story, I completely agree with you, it's just that some of our elected representatives seem to be as single issue as UKIP were, and in terms of day to day politics, I don't think that's a good thing.
Bubbles, Is it not true that the bulk of the UK motor industry is owned by far East manufacturers who are based here as it circumvents EU import tariffs ? ( I may be wrong ) Surely they aren't here to keep down labour costs?
The car industry is very different 40 years on from how it was in 1972. We have a highly integrated supply chain that the not that bad WTO option would f*** up.
Why characterise everything as really straightforward when we have spent decades integrating with the EU and it is actually highly complex?
Tenbury wrote:Bubbles, Is it not true that the bulk of the UK motor industry is owned by far East manufacturers who are based here as it circumvents EU import tariffs ? ( I may be wrong ) Surely they aren't here to keep down labour costs?
57% of cars manufactured here are either sold here or go global.
Obviously, if tariffs and barriers came into being - we would most likely see far fewer exports and imports. It would almost certainly drive up domestic sales.
If the currency moves as most would predict, the change in sterling would counteract the tariff , while european cars would be hit with a double whammy of currency appreciation and tariffs.
It would work in manufacturers' favour to localise supply in the UK as much as possible, and they can potentially tap in to cheaper components from the rest of the world if need be depending on the approach taken by the government.
EvilC wrote:The car industry is very different 40 years on from how it was in 1972. We have a highly integrated supply chain that the not that bad WTO option would **** up.
Why characterise everything as really straightforward when we have spent decades integrating with the EU and it is actually highly complex?
So, you're saying we've swapped a localised, relatively simple system for a complex, multi national one that is hugely difficult to disentangle and is unable to respond to change? The EU, bless it.
bubbles1966 wrote:So, you're saying we've swapped a localised, relatively simple system for a complex, multi national one that is hugely difficult to disentangle and is unable to respond to change? The EU, bless it.
Yes, and yet we want to disentangle it and it won't be that bad?
What's simple about that massive warehouse that Honda would require?
EvilC wrote:Yes, and yet we want to disentangle it and it won't be that bad?
What's simple about that massive warehouse that Honda would require?
Perhaps, they should work out a different supply chain or a different process? They've had nearly three years' notice.
Anyhow, 85% of businesses aren't involved in international trade, so why should a minority of businesses that are, most of whom will not be involved in heavy manufacturing, be granted undue and excessive influence?
Bend it like Repka wrote:
Do you really think that will happen. Food riots?
Apart from the sheer quantity we make in this country, just how much food do we bring in from outside the EU?
Our farmers would probably see the biggest boost to their trade in decades.
Long redundant docks would become busy bringing in produce from other countries.
You'd think we were some pathetic little island that has no economic clout at all.
How the hell did this country cope through the darkest days of WW2? Now we won't last a a few months against the might of the EU bureaucrats.
We threw money at it and took over the worlds largest merchant fleet.
Our farmers don’t have a surplus so yes they will make a killing but that will be by upping prices not necessarily selling more.
The transport doesn’t exist to bring in all of this replacement food from Non-EU locations. Unless the government plans to build loads of it in the ship yards we no longer have then there is a finite capacity. If you want it then you have to outbid the next man which means further price increases.
Dockyards need investment and workers. If that comes from the government then taxes go up to pay for it. Cannot see anyone outside of the UK making that investment.
We will cope and people’s eating habits would shift, but prices will increase and taxes will probably go up as well. So it will cost more to have consumer options that are probably not as good as those you have now.
bubbles1966 wrote:
Perhaps, they should work out a different supply chain or a different process? They've had nearly three years' notice.
Anyhow, 85% of businesses aren't involved in international trade, so why should a minority of businesses that are, most of whom will not be involved in heavy manufacturing, be granted undue and excessive influence?
Those domestic only businesses tend to be in the service sector. Have a guess who their customers are? International trade brings in new currency. Otherwise the same pound just goes round and round with no increase in value.
Honda etc have back up plans. It involves taking all production out of the UK to Germany, Poland etc. Some of those plans are far advanced and just need some to give the go ahead.
bubbles1966 wrote:Perhaps, they should work out a different supply chain or a different process? They've had nearly three years' notice.
Anyhow, 85% of businesses aren't involved in international trade, so why should a minority of businesses that are, most of whom will not be involved in heavy manufacturing, be granted undue and excessive influence?
They probably weren't banking on our politicians doing something suicidal. Our mental and dimwitted politicians and voters have put them in this place. Probably what they'll do is f*** off, that's what I'd do, we can't be relied upon any longer.
They have influence that is proportional to their scale and ability to move elsewhere.
