Brexit referendum result aftermath

[woodgreenspur]

If Labour vote to have another in/out referendum I reckon it will kill the party for a generation. It would be a smack in the teeth for their heartlands that voted to leave.

[EvilC]

If Labour vote to have another in/out referendum I reckon it will kill the party for a generation. It would be a smack in the teeth for their heartlands that voted to leave.

Alternatively, Labour can:
- Vote against any Brexit deal, which is going to fail their six tests.
- Push for GE, that they won't get.
- Then campaign for a public vote between a deal that they have already voted against and economic catastrophe.

The party can't hold a lead in the polls mid-term against a Tory party that is tearing itself apart. Their leader comes third in best PM polls behind Don't Know and May. They are a twitching corpse.

It's obviously fine for them to kick their predominantly remain supporters in the teeth though.

[woodgreenspur]

Would you say their support is predominantly remain? In London and the SE ,most definitely, but in the rest of the Country?

[The Old Man of Storr]

All politics is about jobs for the boys. Leave, remain, national, local,socialist, capitalist. its all a rigged game.

Yep , if they were all so concerned about the Welfare of the British People they could get together and do something about it instead of the constant fighting and in-fighting , all about ego and lining their own duck islands .

[York Ham(mer)]

Would you say their support is predominantly remain? In London and the SE ,most definitely, but in the rest of the Country?

In York Central, definitely, how typical that is I don’t know.

[EvilC]

Would you say their support is predominantly remain? In London and the SE ,most definitely, but in the rest of the Country?

I don't have the breakdown geographically but they were 65 remain/35 leave:
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[bubbles1966]

The CLP ballot priorities from yesterday had Brexit listed at number 5, just above the NHS and Social Care.

Housing and Schools/Education were 1 and 2, followed by Justice for Windrush and Palestine at 3 and 4.

[EvilC]

Palestine at 4. :shock:

[sendô]

That party desperately needs to decide what it is.

Justice for palestine ahead of Brexit?

[SammyLeeWasOffside]

That party desperately needs to decide what it is.

Justice for palestine ahead of Brexit?

Its decided, its in the process of cleaning house. I hope the membership end up with the party it wants at the end of all this.

[York Ham(mer)]

The Government has issued further guidance today in the event of a ‘no-deal’ Brexit. These included:

- UK-based airlines would lose their operating licences for the 27 EU countries and would need to seek new permissions.
- pre-packed products "would no longer be valid for the EU market", without a separate EU business address.
- motorists would need to apply for a green card as proof of third party motor insurance cover when driving in the EU.
- pet owners who want to take their dogs and cats abroad would have to register three months in advance.
- UK hauliers could be banned from the continent, because they could "no longer rely on automatic recognition by the EU of UK-issued community licences".
- UK coach operators are advised to consider subcontracting "all or part" of travel on the continent to EU-based operators, because their licences might not be recognised.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/p ... 53051.html

[-DL-]

And what's to stop us doing the same to The EU in return in the event all this happened?

[EvilC]

And what's to stop us doing the same to The EU in return in the event all this happened?

Introduce whatever measures you want.

[Bend it like Repka]

Introduce whatever measures you want.

Well, that is the crux of it. It won't be the UK causing the difficulties at the border, the delays and the tariffs.

If the EU wants to make a point, then it will have to fire the first shot. We will be free to reciprocate.

Macron certainly wants us to heel. I'd put the biggest tariffs on French goods. All that wine and cheese, those Renaults and Citreons. Let's boycott the French alps in April and go to Norway instead.

Take that Frenchie. Huzzah!

That may have been dick waving.

[EvilC]

It isn't making a point, it is enforcing its rules.

[Morocco Mole]

Did they do all/any of those things before the EU existed? Genuine question.

[Bend it like Repka]

It isn't making a point, it is enforcing its rules.

But in life we have to decide should you always follow the rules even when they hurt you.

If the EU wants to make a point of principle, then indeed they can make things very difficult for us.

But The EU is an organisation with no responsibility other than itself. Leaders like Macron and Merkel have to answer to their voters, who unlike EU "voters" can actually effect change.

So while the EU may congratulate itself on standing firm and seeing the Brits suffer, the French and German people may ask how long they are going to have to bear the cross for it all. As we have said money overrides everything.

Will flights really all be grounded? Really? Or will we sticky tape a temporary arrangement together while negotiations continue post March.

Of course we will never find out because no deal is unacceptable apparently, whatever the long term cost.

[York Ham(mer)]

And what's to stop us doing the same to The EU in return in the event all this happened?

It works the other way as well, of course. I understand the Government is proposing to unilaterally allow EU airlines to land at U.K. airports among other things but really these sort of issues should have been ironed out ages ago.

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

Isn't that sort of stuff what the implementation period is for?

[EvilC]

Isn't that sort of stuff what the implementation period is for?

If you don't have a deal you don't have an implementation period.

BILR - it isn't a point of principle. If they do it for us they then have to do it for Canada and Japan due to the MFN clause, I believe.