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EvilC wrote:When you voted for Brexit you voted for a parliament that you describe as inept to try and deliver something that is poorly defined and fraught with risk. The result is that they **** it up. Actions have consequences.
By your theory we should never voting for anything then. Or make a decision.

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The polls are going to turn out to be a load of b*llocks.

The Tories and Labour will do better than projected.

Just a feeling.

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Greatest Cockney Rip Off wrote:The left ... showing their class as usual ... to me this says you've just run out of arguments and are resorting to the tactics you supposedly abhor.

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There is a story going around that this was all staged and it was his mate that did it.

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Coops wrote:There is a story going around that this was all staged and it was his mate that did it.

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Twitter account suspended. Fake news maybe ? :think:
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Rays Rock wrote: Do you understand the difference between a majority in a binary choice referendum and that of a national election with multiple candidates ?
Believe it or not, yes I do! Thank you for checking.

The post I was responding to was suggesting the people had been ‘clear’ in their views or what Britain should do in terms of the EU in numerous elections going back five years. I was pointing out that UKIP getting 26% of votes in 2014 or the Conservatives getting 43% in 2017 has no bearing on a majority of people wanting to leave the EU in a particular form. The only way to find out exactly what people want is to ask them.

As I said, I’d even have no deal on the ballot, as although I think it’d be a disaster clearly there is significant support for it. Add in a couple more choices, with remain having to be one of them as clearly there is significant support for that too, then do a single transferable vote system and see which one comes out on top.

If the country really does want to leave on WTO terms, which is what no opinion poll has ever shown, then it’d win. I don’t know why that is such a scary prospect for Brexiteers when they’re so confident in the will of the people.
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EvilC wrote:When you voted for Brexit you voted for a parliament that you describe as inept to try and deliver something that is poorly defined and fraught with risk. The result is that they **** it up. Actions have consequences.
So its my fault for using the only system provided to me? I cant expect them to make difficult decisions, what are they there for if not to figure out this sort of thing?
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bubbles1966 wrote:The polls are going to turn out to be a load of b*llocks.

The Tories and Labour will do better than projected.

Just a feeling.

Sunny day...better things to do.
I dunno, I think they’re both in for a kicking - as predicted by the polls.

We have to remember this is a European Parliament poll, so should not be compared with the general election results.

Last EU election the Tories got 23% and Labour 24%. -12 for the Conservatives and -6 for Labour is certainly more than conceivable in the current climate.
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Greatest Cockney Rip Off wrote: Twitter account suspended. Fake news maybe ? :think:
Possibly, it is difficult to know what to believe these days.
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But it could be made to work, if allowed. But the government has blamed the EU for not helping. Right or wrong once we leave they won't be able to use that excuse.
I would have thought that supplying steel to build the rail network, ships, tanks, trains would be enough to keep going. Not to mention greener.
The government has always looked at buying cheap now as the best option, regardless of future repercussion. From cheap labour causing skills shortage to job losses and the massive social bill it produces.
The universal tax credit and all the extra costs massive unemployment brings will make the bailout look like peanuts.
Bare in mind these EU elections are said to have cost £100m not to mention the amount Chris grayling has lost.
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666 hammer wrote:But it could be made to work, if allowed. But the government has blamed the EU for not helping. Right or wrong once we leave they won't be able to use that excuse.
I would have thought that supplying steel to build the rail network, ships, tanks, trains would be enough to keep going. Not to mention greener.
The government has always looked at buying cheap now as the best option, regardless of future repercussion. From cheap labour causing skills shortage to job losses and the massive social bill it produces.
The universal tax credit and all the extra costs massive unemployment brings will make the bailout look like peanuts.
Bare in mind these EU elections are said to have cost £100m not to mention the amount Chris grayling has lost.
In the context of UK employment 5,000 jobs is not a big expense, there are about 7m working age people claiming some benefits, another 5,000 has almost zero impact ...

That of course is not the point, but it is the harsh reality.

The fact is first British Steel, then under Tata, and than Greybull Capital simply wasn't competitive. EU rules barred any government subsidy, and without support cheap imports were always going to kill the business. Nothing new there, high cost high wage doing mostly manual work, that can be done at low cost, low wage in far less developed countries ... we've seem what happens time after time ...

but ...

all is not lost, conversely the Brexit screw up could work in a 'recovery' operation. The low pound means whilst a "British Steel" company still couldn't compete with dirt cheap low grade imports, it could compete with high end specialist steel products where expertise and skilled labour is required and which can't be produced at rock bottom prices in third world countries.

post Brexit you just might see a "British Steel" reborn, sure it will take government subsidies to get it going and once out of the EU straight-jacket these subsidies can be applied

Who knew a parliamentary screw up might actually end up saving 5,000 jobs ... it's a very long-shot but miracles never cease
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote: So its my fault for using the only system provided to me? I cant expect them to make difficult decisions, what are they there for if not to figure out this sort of thing?
Their solution was not to do it. You decided to do it anyway.
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Bend it wrote: By your theory we should never voting for anything then. Or make a decision.

The new politics. Don't rock the boat. Maintain the status Quo.
You made the decision, don't try and blame others for the consequences of it.
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Thanks for the reply ironworks.
Good points well made. But I fear the short term view of all our major parties won't save the company.
It must be cheaper and greener to use steel made locally. But because of the green taxes this is not true.
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Bend it wrote: By your theory we should never voting for anything then. Or make a decision.

The new politics. Don't rock the boat. Maintain the status Quo.
Sadly, the political “progressives” have the hump that they might have been rumbled by a set of Mavericks in the UK. The only progression that was on the cards was full centralisation of powers and dangerous unaccountability of rule. They aren’t finished yet, trying to keep an appearance of cutting rank, but still trying to maintain control.
EvilC wrote: You made the decision, don't try and blame others for the consequences of it.
Okay, let us all move on then.
No more despite Brexit or due to Brexit spuriously linked causation stories.
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666 hammer wrote:Thanks for the reply ironworks.
Good points well made. But I fear the short term view of all our major parties won't save the company.
It must be cheaper and greener to use steel made locally. But because of the green taxes this is not true.
Your so right ... isn't it absurd that by taxing our own industries out of business, established high paid job providing industries, which use the latest and cleanest technology producing the lowest possible emissions, by bankrupting them with so called "green tax" we in fact force business to buy from semi-regulated foreign industries using near slave labour with old technology pumping out vast amounts of CO2 ... if you put this in a novel nobody would believe you ... only parliament could be that stupid and all for the pretence of looking "green" ...
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EvilC wrote:
You made the decision, don't try and blame others for the consequences of it.
Righto. Don't blame politicians whose job is to enact decisions made by the public.

Don't blame politicians who voted to give us the choice they can't now accept.

Don't blame politicians who wrote manifestos promising to do as we asked.
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It hadn't even gone 7:30 this morning and David Mellor was calling for a second referendum, Jesus christ! I wonder what politicians actually do all year round as they just seem to mention and be on Brexit 24/7, do they actually do any work.

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EvilC wrote: Their solution was not to do it. You decided to do it anyway.
Their solution was to ask us what to do.
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SammyLeeWasOffside wrote:Their solution was to ask us what to do.
The solution to shutting up 100 swivel-eyed loons on the right of the Conservative Party. And it didn't work. And here we are. I hope you like it.
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Theresa May always was an accidental Prime Minister. She never really wanted the job in the first place, she is the fall guy(ess), asked to clear up the mess created by David Cameron, but never had the ability to govern. She was there, in part, because of Gove's back stabbing of Bo Jo and Andrea Ledsom being forced to step aside in the process, post the Brexit referendum on 2016 and in the Tory leadership campaign that followed. It is a complete buggers muddle, largely of his making, which has led not to Brexit, but to Breno, ( Brexit in name only ) and he has never been taken to task for his part, for largely causing the mess that followed
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