West Ham Utd 0-2 Manchester Utd (22/03/14)

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shammy wrote:No it wasnt and no im not. Shoulder to shoulder is allowed and so is contact I know you wannabe refferees hate it because the game is a lot easier to manage when all contact is a foul but for the rest of us who actually like the physical side its all gone a bit soft......Do you want all contact to be a foul? Go on admit it..You do.
It wasn't shoulder to shoulder though was it

It was a bloody push and he did it to gain possession as opposed to pushing in the box to get a better position from a corner or something
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Just a **** thread mate, wouldn't get upset about it.[/quote]

fair enough that's 3 of you but apart from manager of the month couldn't see the thousands other post stated about Sam recently and too many write like me now that has nothing to do with thread. I was wondering what peoples views going forward with or without as opinion seems to change like the weather
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jacko wrote:Was it Tomkins who played that ridiculous cross field pass that almost let them in?

We were very sloppy at times yesterday.
Yes it was Tomkins and was absolutely diabolical.
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Billydinho wrote:
Why do you follow him on Twitter?
I don't follow him,it was retweeted or whatever the expression is to me by another West Ham fan.
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kenthammer1984 wrote:just for the record, it was never a foul on tomkins by rooney - tomkins was far, far to weak on the ball. completely scared of rooney.
Romford wrote:If it was the other way around then i bet it would have been given.....I think Rooney was very clever to give a little shove whilst Tomkins was unbalanced.
I remember watching Rio in a pre-season game at Brisbane Rd. Goes up for the ball and this big old centrefwd gives him a shove in the back so he misses it - and then heads it in for 1-0. Thing is Rio was 18 and he learnt, and Tomka at 24 or whatever, is still letting himself get done far too easily.

If you look at where he was when the ball came over, he was the wrong side of Rooney, and stretching to get to the ball - so the littlest nudge (and I reckon refs give them about 1 time in 3) means we are in big trouble. Of course no one could have expected the immedaite shot, but even without that, Rooney had an opportunity to run at Collins (or play someone else in) with Tomka totally out of position. Centre half's first job is to be btwn the fwd and the goal - and this is something Tomka is often caught out by. Some of his best saving tackles come from it - recovering from being caught out - but it doesnt mean it isnt a weakness.
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Just an observation,
yes, we did'nt play well yesterday,let our heads go down a bit, but it was one of those days when you knew,just knew we wasnt going to get any breaks.
Bright enough start, crowd up for it but a freak goal put us on the back foot and from then on it was an 'oh dear' situation,could have been 1-1 but ref decided otherwise.

What no commentator on here or in the media has mentioned is the conditions, a really swirling gale one minute, with pissing rain and then, some difficult conditions for our game plan.
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upton o'good wrote:
I remember watching Rio in a pre-season game at Brisbane Rd. Goes up for the ball and this big old centrefwd gives him a shove in the back so he misses it - and then heads it in for 1-0. Thing is Rio was 18 and he learnt, and Tomka at 24 or whatever, is still letting himself get done far too easily.

If you look at where he was when the ball came over, he was the wrong side of Rooney, and stretching to get to the ball - so the littlest nudge (and I reckon refs give them about 1 time in 3) means we are in big trouble. Of course no one could have expected the immedaite shot, but even without that, Rooney had an opportunity to run at Collins (or play someone else in) with Tomka totally out of position. Centre half's first job is to be btwn the fwd and the goal - and this is something Tomka is often caught out by. Some of his best saving tackles come from it - recovering from being caught out - but it doesnt mean it isnt a weakness.
Tomkins didn't cover himself in glory...that's for sure. I would say though that with the movement of Mata and especially Rooney would have kept better centre halves than him busy too. They both drop into the "hole" and leave the CBs looking around wondering whether to stick or twist.
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Mata was excellent yesterday. Always busy, always available. Proper number 10.
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ironworks41 wrote:What no commentator on here or in the media has mentioned is the conditions, a really swirling gale one minute, with pissing rain and then, some difficult conditions for our game plan.
That really is clutching!

You'd like to think if the wind conditions aren't suitable we'd try something different, hold on....
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woodywoody wrote: fair enough that's 3 of you but apart from manager of the month couldn't see the thousands other post stated about Sam recently and too many write like me now that has nothing to do with thread. I was wondering what peoples views going forward with or without as opinion seems to change like the weather
Obviously you are new to the site Squire.....because sending every Mod an pm and making out this place is run like Ukraine (have you even been there ?) is hardly making friends and influencing the site.

I haven't even seen your post BUT i bet it has some reference to yesterdays pi$$ poor showing.

Guess where you should have put it ?
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I'm sorry but those blaming the weather or the quality of the opposition are missing the point....

The team that went out there yesterday were NEVER going to win any game. 100% down to the manager.

You wait till Liverpool come to town...
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Romford wrote:You wait till Liverpool come to town...

That don't bear thinking about fella, could be a cricket score
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Ticket 2 Ryde wrote:We are a very poor side considering the investment by the porn Kings...
Investment ? I think that might be one of the big reasons we are such a poor side. 85% of the budget in the summer on one player, then in the following window when we are in the relegation zone, they fail to spend a penny and instead get in x 3 loans from Italy.

Horrific really when you realize that individual match day ticket prices are the 4th highest in world football.

I've never known our support to be as miffed as it appears to be now to be honest. I refuse to pay those people that money for the football that's on offer and the investment that gets made, which imo is little to nothing considering the pricing.

It used to be more than just win, lose or draw and still is, but at the money they are asking to get in, just survival and nothing else is taking the piss.

The ONLY objective for these owners is to stay in the league, not compete in it, but to stay in it. How we do it is irrelevant to them because they are so out of their depth, that TV money that they get for just being in the Prem is everything to this Club as these people in charge simply can not generate money any other way, except of course charging the addicts like us what they do and that i so wrong it makes my blood boil.

It's daylight robbery and i'm not being fleeced by these people any more.

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Frustrating game to watch, the Mancs were there for the taking but we never really did enough to get anything from the game.

Fletcher, Mata and Rooney were really good for them which made it even harder for us.
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Just back from the match to Devon and my two penneth worth is that there wasn't enough showing from the midfield yesterday - Carroll won huge amounts of chest-down and didn't then have many out-lets. Whereby Mata and Kagawa (the latter my MoM) were full of movement and endeavour. Also the stadium seemed very quiet didn't you think? Mancs giving it volume the whole match whereas our lot, for an evening k.o seemed quite passive?
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Charge £52 minimum and that's the sort of crowd you get.
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SiO wrote: my two penneth worth is that there wasn't enough showing from the midfield yesterday - Carroll won huge amounts of chest-down and didn't then have many out-lets. Whereby Mata and Kagawa (the latter my MoM) were full of movement and endeavour.
To be fair to the players for most of our season it's been the same story. Our gaffer elects to play most of our midfield very deep, hence my repeated assertions that we're playing with a back nine this year. We don't have midfielders - we have four auxiliary defenders.

And like many of the posters on here, I agree that Man U were there for the taking yesterday. I didn't expect it to be that way, but the team they selected was beatable by us. For a number of reasons, we blew it. It was a missed opportunity - Allardyce and the players conspired to engineer us a defeat.

And it was never a foul by Rooney - can't believe the whining on here about that one. Tomkins got done - simply outmuscled and out-thought by someone he should have been quite capable of handling shoulder-to-shoulder. Football is a physical game. Tomkins is a big strong lad. And Tomkins knew he got done fair and square. That particular episode is embarrassing to watch, and personally I'm fuming that Tomkins played a part in producing Rooney's career highlight reel.

Bright spots for us yesterday? Allardyce's signing of Downing looked justifiable IMO. He looked liked the only consistent threat and would shine in a team that ventured to play attacking football. The other big plus was that Downing appeared the only player who was capable of picking out a claret and blue shirt to pass to.

All in all yesterday was a bloody disgrace. Absolute cack and a complete embarrassment.
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Cannot disagree with all of that... My brother said on the way back that he was pinning his colours to the mast after the game and thought that WHU were so poorly intentioned that he couldn't forgive the current regime for it. He felt that we lacked bravery and didn't look like we wanted to play... I've been an Allardyce man for a while and told him that I felt that we've played better football under Sam than under anyone since Redknapp (whereupon I then felt the need to use a wire brush on myself to clean the statement off). This said, I have to say that I like to go to matches feeling as if we'll get the ball down and have a go at playing. Yesterday, I felt that we were bereft of ideas from the start and I'm feeling, for the first time) that I'd rather go down playing as Wigan did, than not play the game the way it should be played. After all, my love of football doesn't factor in budget-sheets and the like, and although this is obviously important, I'm just a football fan who wants to be entertained or at least I want to buy a ticket to feel that my team has been battered, but has given a decent and honest account of themselves
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I said a week ago it was the worst Manure side I had ever seen.

Yesterday has a bit of déjà vu about it for me. I remember Carrick in defence against us one year and we lost 4-0. :lol: Was it Curbs in charge?
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This Man Utd team that was there for the taking happen to have picked up more points than anybody else in the league away from home this season - before yesterday. The same way we should have just turned up at Stoke and walked off with all three points. I was surprised how a freak goal completely knocked the stuffing out of us. Yet again after a defeat you struggle to think of more than a couple of players who were any better than average. We win games we have seven or eight players who performed well but so many of our defeats have been a poor team effort.
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