West Ham Utd 1-2 Arsenal (28/12/14)

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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby EvilC on Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:15 pm

I am not sure if this has been mentioned but there is a push in the back from Wellbeck before he receives the ball in the build up to the penalty.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Dwight1970 on Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:25 pm

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But there was confusion in the past, one week a Sammy Lee incident would result in a goal standing and the following week a 30 yarder would be chalked for a bloke standing by the corner flag because it was simply all down to the interpretation of the officials.

With the guidance given nowadays there should be far fewer grey areas as an official only has to give someone offside if they are active in that phase of play following the criteria given, everyone knows where they stand until an official acts like they did yesterday by ignoring what they are told to do and apply the offside law how they see fit, can't you see that is where the problem is?

Whether me or you agree with the offside law is not the point but the failure of the officials to act like they have been instructed to is?
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby kaybee15 on Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:25 pm

Markt85 wrote:The officials got all the major decisions correct


Rubbish. They got the Reid penalty decision correct, well done to them. A shame they disallowed a perfectly good goal (by modern interpretation of the rules), didn't give two clear penalties (Sakho and Amilfitano), and booked our main striker for no reason at all, thus leading him to be more cautious in his performance for the rest of the game.

Yep, a tip-top showing.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby il_martello_di_genovesi on Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:34 pm

Markt85 wrote:The officials got all the major decisions correct , We had players blocking the keepers view in an offside position. .


Rubbish.

Szczeny was not blocked or influenced by anything our players did. Trust me, as someone that sits behind the goal, see the ball fly into the bottom corner. Szczesny did not really move or react because he wasn't getting to it. It was the defenders who appealed and then the flag went up.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Romford on Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:36 pm

The Boleyn Hound wrote:I saw your anti-arsenal sentiments first hand as you shouted at the stewards at the end ! Your face was a picture...

I heard a LOT in the crowd today about how much people really hate Arsenal - myself included.

They did try every trick in the book, and unfortunately for us, it worked.
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At the end...there was a Window Licking Goon offering all and sundry standing on a seat right next to a Steward.

I just asked the head steward why that was allowed and why if that was in Chav Corner would the person be evicted.

Its double standards yet again...

We get treated like cack away from home them roll out the red carpet for visitors here but come down hard on our own fans.

This is the same head steward who allowed a pitch invader from Everon last season back into the visitors area.

A disgrace :twisted:
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Romford on Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:41 pm

If Song had been in an Arsenal strip...anyone honestly think that it would have been disallowed ?

If Cazorla was in Claret and Blue would we have got that pen ??

That is the sad fact of The Premiership....and the sorry state of affairs of the old school tie still in this country.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby one mcavennie on Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:48 pm

Usually swings and roundabouts come the end of the season

Although yeah agreed, the big clubs overall I think get the better rub of the green
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Hockley Hammer on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:00 pm

Romford wrote:If Song had been in an Arsenal strip...anyone honestly think that it would have been disallowed ?

If Cazorla was in Claret and Blue would we have got that pen ??

That is the sad fact of The Premiership....and the sorry state of affairs of the old school tie still in this country.
Exactly how I feel today. I try to look at decisions the other way around. The more I saw the penalty the more I'd want it at the other end. Like you I don't think we would get it at certain grounds and against certain clubs and most people in football would agree but nothing is done.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Hampshire Hammer on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:00 pm

Markt85 wrote:The officials got all the major decisions correct , We had players blocking the keepers view in an offside position ,

No we didn't, if you actually look the only people blocking the keepers view are either Arsenal players or onside, Sakho was not inbetween the keeper and the ball, the guidance to referees this season clearly states that he was not offside. It doesn't matter that the current rule and guidance do not make sense, the goal should have stood. The linesman only raised his flag when confronted by Arsenal players, he did not raise it at the time of the "offence".

Markt85 wrote:Reid lifted his leg up to stop Corzola running on

The movement was far more Corzola trailing his leg onto Reid's to make contact.

There were also two penalty shouts for ourselves in the second half, one of which was a clear penalty and the other is of the type that is often given.

There were huge positives in our performance and it was enjoyable game but it is frustrating when mistakes by the officials decide the result.

Our finishing needs to be more clinical if it had been we would still have won.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Up the Junction on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:03 pm

Markt85 wrote:The officials got all the major decisions correct , We had players blocking the keepers view in an offside position.

Song's goal should have stood (according to both managers), Carroll was booked for standing still and no penalty was given when Amalfitano has his legs chopped.

I also feel the penalty was harsh but I'll let you have that one. Either way, the referee was shocking .Surprised you feel otherwise.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Beavis Danzig on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:09 pm

Hampshire Hammer wrote:The movement was far more Corzola trailing his leg onto Reid's to make contact.

There were also two penalty shouts for ourselves in the second half, one of which was a clear penalty and the other is of the type that is often given.

There were huge positives in our performance and it was enjoyable game but it is frustrating when mistakes by the officials decide the result.

Our finishing needs to be more clinical if it had been we would still have won.


something else we got tactically wrong was trying to spring back and nab an equaliser right after the arse went ahead. arsenal are the biggest confidence team in the league and always seem to get goals in pairs. it wouldn't have made the crowd happy but the smart thing to do would've been to drain the life out of the game for a few minutes.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby morganwhu on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:12 pm

Who are the muggy ***** who give Song MOTM for every single game.

It's embarrassing and needs to stop.

Adrian was by far our best player and what a good GK he seems to be developing in to. At the beginning of the season I would have said GK was our weakest position but Adrian seems to be proving that wrong each week.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Markt85 on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:21 pm

Up the Junction wrote:Song's goal should have stood (according to both managers), Carroll was booked for standing still and no penalty was given when Amalfitano has his legs chopped.

I also feel the penalty was harsh but I'll let you have that one. Either way, the referee was shocking .Surprised you feel otherwise.


Songs goal in real time was hit in the back of the net in about 2 seconds, from the Lino's point of view he can see 2-3 players standing in front of there keeper and the ball flying through one our players legs in the goal - its a grey area and yes a bit tough on us as these type of goals do stand in other games

agree Carroll harsh booking, but see that every week for every team

and sorry, i don't feel we had any stone wall penalty's turned down either

Crux of the matter, until refs get help from a fourth official with a monitor who can tell him through a earpiece what the real outcome should be, we are going to continue to froth at the mouth about referring decisions, almost every match in the prem now have controversial decisions with fans blaming the officials but they don't stand a chance, the game is so quick, so many players are diving and cheating, managers screaming at them on the touchline and a crowd that goes mental at every decision. they don't stand a hope in hell - thats why i give them the benefit of the doubt and just hope decisions even there selves out over time.

we all moan at the refs yet dont think twice about going to the next game , its part of football and always has been, whilst football is such a global success i can only think the governing bodies welcome all this controversy.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby wizzo_66 on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:26 pm

morganwhu wrote:Who are the muggy ***** who give Song MOTM for every single game.
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Sponsers. It's who they want to meet and have a photo with, not man of the match.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby only1post on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:28 pm

I could be wrong but my gut feeling is you don't see as many diving headers these days.
Not criticizing him, but just before he was subbed thought Sakho could have gone horizontal for one on the back stick.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby morganwhu on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:32 pm

morganwhu wrote:Who are the muggy ***** who give Song MOTM for every single game.
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wizzo_66 wrote:Sponsers. It's who they want to meet and have a photo with, not man of the match.


It should not be allowed, it's embarrassing and probably a bit irritating for the other players.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Up the Junction on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:33 pm

Markt85 wrote:Songs goal in real time was hit in the back of the net in about 2 seconds, from the Lino's point of view he can see 2-3 players standing in front of there keeper

The assistant could see no-one standing in front of the 'keeper, because he was viewing from side-on.

Markt85 wrote:agree Carroll harsh booking, but see that every week for every team

I'll take your word for it, Mark. I haven't seen many that come close to being as ridiculous as that, but there you go.

only1post wrote:Not criticizing him, but just before he was subbed thought Sakho could have gone horizontal for one on the back stick.

Likewise.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby Puff Daddy on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:35 pm

.... and that last gasp Valencia header at the end should have gave found the top corner too. Think even Carlton wouldn't have missed that from 1 yard out
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby wizzo_66 on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:36 pm

Up the Junction wrote:The assistant could see no-one standing in front of the 'keeper, because he's viewing from side-on.



He wouldn't have seen anyone standing in front of the 'keeper from any angle - because no one was physically stood "in front" of him. Sakho and Kouyate were to the side and no where near him, nor his line of vision.
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Re: West Ham United V Arsenal Match Thread

Postby wizzo_66 on Mon Dec 29, 2014 2:37 pm

Puff Daddy wrote:.... and that last gasp Valencia header at the end should have gave found the top corner too. Think even Carlton wouldn't have missed that from 1 yard out


Personally felt Cresswell's was the chance to do better. He overcooked a really simple header to the far post.
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