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I make you right. 4-4-2 is the way to go, and if means we can't paly all our superstars at the same time, tough.
We are not a good side, we are not a great side in waiting, we are at best at this present time a very poor side. I would go so far as to say were are not even a team.
People in teams work for each other, individuals get nowhere unless the team does well. At this moment we are a team of individuals all trying to showcase what they can, irrespective of the result. There seems to be no unity, no leadership on the pitch.
We were ok for at the most 20 minutes yesterday and that co-incided with Nobes being withdrawn,
This will probably be where I get pelters but who cares it's just my thoughts, against Stanley give the armband to the most experienced player in the side, hopefully that's Arbeloa, have him screaming at the back four get them organised.
A player like him has seen it all and done it all, let him transfer that to on the pitch, if he plays well then leave him as skipper.
We might then see the Mark Noble we knew come back with something to prove. Against Watfoed and WBA we showed what a car crash of a team we really are at this moment, what caused the car crash we will never know. I think the diddy man Sullivan has something to do with, because it's not just a couple of players it's Slav as well, maybe Sully gave it the big en about stars being signed or Europe is our destiny who knows this goes deeper than just the manager and players.
Still on to Stanley a team that went out of league and fought their way back, with a fair fanbase, lets be up and at them from the start.
I make you right. 4-4-2 is the way to go, and if means we can't paly all our superstars at the same time, tough.
We are not a good side, we are not a great side in waiting, we are at best at this present time a very poor side. I would go so far as to say were are not even a team.
People in teams work for each other, individuals get nowhere unless the team does well. At this moment we are a team of individuals all trying to showcase what they can, irrespective of the result. There seems to be no unity, no leadership on the pitch.
We were ok for at the most 20 minutes yesterday and that co-incided with Nobes being withdrawn,
This will probably be where I get pelters but who cares it's just my thoughts, against Stanley give the armband to the most experienced player in the side, hopefully that's Arbeloa, have him screaming at the back four get them organised.
A player like him has seen it all and done it all, let him transfer that to on the pitch, if he plays well then leave him as skipper.
We might then see the Mark Noble we knew come back with something to prove. Against Watfoed and WBA we showed what a car crash of a team we really are at this moment, what caused the car crash we will never know. I think the diddy man Sullivan has something to do with, because it's not just a couple of players it's Slav as well, maybe Sully gave it the big en about stars being signed or Europe is our destiny who knows this goes deeper than just the manager and players.
Still on to Stanley a team that went out of league and fought their way back, with a fair fanbase, lets be up and at them from the start.
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We have a lot of good individuals going forward but Bilic is playing them without the thought of the balance of the team.
Maybe a way we can go forward if he wants to continue using these same players is actually using Antonio as our lone striker? The lads scoring and was often lumped up top for Forest when they needed to get goals, this will also free up Payet--Lanzini--Feghouli to play behind him rather than trying to fit all 4 behind a striker.
Maybe a way we can go forward if he wants to continue using these same players is actually using Antonio as our lone striker? The lads scoring and was often lumped up top for Forest when they needed to get goals, this will also free up Payet--Lanzini--Feghouli to play behind him rather than trying to fit all 4 behind a striker.
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Idiot. He's been our best player for the 4 previous gamesrsnwhu wrote:Masuaka was appalng. He is one of the worst players I have seen wearing the claret and blue. Send him back to Olympiakos where they get away with that lazy ****. Six million quid plus wages...you are seriously having a laugh.
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Just to make your weekend even worse, Tomkins scored for Palace today as well.woodywoody wrote:And to top my weekend off, Tompkins scores-
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Why am I hearing all this Masuaku is the worst player this & that for??! When he's recently been the best out of a bad bunch. We lost again, so be it. What can we do apart from move on..........again
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think only one bloke said that and i'm going to assume he's just got back from his holiday to the moon.
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Looking at how we played last year and the difference this year is evident in the way we are playing away from home. We know, so you would hope the club know, too that it is going to take a while for us to get used to OS.
Last year we played very tightly and then played to catch teams on the break. It was that that got us results at Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City. Payet was sensational and was new to the league. Truth is we probably caught a few teams out. This year we seem to think that because we have Payet, we have to throw everything forward and try to out play and out pass the opposition. No one can convince me that we didn't take Watford lightly, and e left ourselves badly exposed today by adopting the same Gun Ho approach.
I think we have to act quickly and decisively and forgo one of our attacking players to play a more defensive game for the next two matches to get the points total ticking over. Make other teams beat us instead of throwing matches away by being too attacking. Is it solvable? Yes, of course, but we need a mor defensive set up to calm us down for a it. I would play Kouyate and Oxford in the midfield and give Noble a rest, I would also play Obiang instead of Lanzini. We can always go to a more attacking formation if we need to at some time in the game. I know we all like attacking football, but I'd take a boring 0-0 right now against Southampton instead of another 1-2 defeat having been done on the break again.
Last year we played very tightly and then played to catch teams on the break. It was that that got us results at Arsenal, Liverpool and Man City. Payet was sensational and was new to the league. Truth is we probably caught a few teams out. This year we seem to think that because we have Payet, we have to throw everything forward and try to out play and out pass the opposition. No one can convince me that we didn't take Watford lightly, and e left ourselves badly exposed today by adopting the same Gun Ho approach.
I think we have to act quickly and decisively and forgo one of our attacking players to play a more defensive game for the next two matches to get the points total ticking over. Make other teams beat us instead of throwing matches away by being too attacking. Is it solvable? Yes, of course, but we need a mor defensive set up to calm us down for a it. I would play Kouyate and Oxford in the midfield and give Noble a rest, I would also play Obiang instead of Lanzini. We can always go to a more attacking formation if we need to at some time in the game. I know we all like attacking football, but I'd take a boring 0-0 right now against Southampton instead of another 1-2 defeat having been done on the break again.
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Re: The West Brom V West Ham Match Thread
61dicksey wrote:now 3-1 , yes they have some players who gve 100% every game Deeney being one of the , wish we had a big bruiser of a forward who never loses the cause.
We do, Andy Carroll. We've sorely missed him, just ask old Juve how they felt going up against him.
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I thought we were very unlucky...and that WBA were cack. They are going down
Funny eh.
We lack pace...and a striker. Slav and Julian will sort the defence...and the shape.
No worrying here
Funny eh.
We lack pace...and a striker. Slav and Julian will sort the defence...and the shape.
No worrying here
Re: The West Brom V West Ham Match Thread
Palace are this years dark horses, they are doing exactly what we done at the beginning of last season, they are looking a very good side. What the f*** has happened.
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I'm not so sure they'll go down but they will be close.Romford wrote:I thought we were very unlucky...and that WBA were cack. They are going down
That's definately the only game in which they will score 4 this season though. They had only scored 2 in 4 games until the ever generous West Ham turned up!
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****ing amen to thatRomford wrote:I thought we were very unlucky...and that WBA were cack. They are going down
Funny eh.
We lack pace...and a striker. Slav and Julian will sort the defence...and the shape.
No worrying here
I thought we were very good in the 2nd half
we'll be fine
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Didn't they do the same last season and then bottled it after Xmas? I'm pretty sure they were up there with us for the start of the seasonRasp wrote:Palace are this years dark horses, they are doing exactly what we done at the beginning of last season, they are looking a very good side. What the **** has happened.
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Nice to hear some positivityRomford wrote:I thought we were very unlucky...and that WBA were cack. They are going down
Funny eh.
We lack pace...and a striker. Slav and Julian will sort the defence...and the shape.
No worrying here
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I'm one of those miserable buggers who believes there's no such thing as luck, lucky or unlucky.
The nearest thing to luck in reality is opportunity meeting preparation. 'Unlucky' is one of the components not being present, not being prepared when the opportunity arises. Some would say Payet was unlucky when his free kick hit the post, I'd say he missed the target pure and simple.
Relying on a change of luck is missing the real problem, not being prepared to take advantage of the opportunities as they occur.
The nearest thing to luck in reality is opportunity meeting preparation. 'Unlucky' is one of the components not being present, not being prepared when the opportunity arises. Some would say Payet was unlucky when his free kick hit the post, I'd say he missed the target pure and simple.
Relying on a change of luck is missing the real problem, not being prepared to take advantage of the opportunities as they occur.
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How many times you been to games and come out and thought..."we were lucky there"Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote:I'm one of those miserable buggers who believes there's no such thing as luck, lucky or unlucky.
The nearest thing to luck in reality is opportunity meeting preparation. 'Unlucky' is one of the components not being present, not being prepared when the opportunity arises. Some would say Payet was unlucky when his free kick hit the post, I'd say he missed the target pure and simple.
Relying on a change of luck is missing the real problem, not being prepared to take advantage of the opportunities as they occur.
I said it after Bournemouth at home for starters.
How we were 3-0 down at half time yesterday was the wierdest experience...and in the end i cannot remember Adrain having one save to make.
To do that and lose 4-2 says something IMHO
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Johnny Byrne's Boots wrote:I'm one of those miserable buggers who believes there's no such thing as luck, lucky or unlucky.
The nearest thing to luck in reality is opportunity meeting preparation. 'Unlucky' is one of the components not being present, not being prepared when the opportunity arises. Some would say Payet was unlucky when his free kick hit the post, I'd say he missed the target pure and simple.
Relying on a change of luck is missing the real problem, not being prepared to take advantage of the opportunities as they occur.
Although I agree with the sentiment you prepare to take into account luck/unluckiness and it only goes so far before it's just the same continual mistakes made, I do draw the line on things like the Payet free kick, which was a millimetre away from being perfect. If we don't value that precision, then we don't value efforts when he just sneaks it into the top corner vs Palace. On top of that, the level of quality they're facing week in, week out, it leaves little room to be sure. I.e. Take Pickfords wonder save vs Spurs today, it needed to be millimetre perfect for Lamela to score that goal and it was extremely close of going in but for the slightest of finger rolls. On that basis, I can't fault Payets attempt and do deem his effort as unlucky.
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I've come away thinking we didn't deserve to win on the balance of play, but we took our chances and they didn't.
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Exactly.bobbymooresbracelet wrote:Why go 4-0 down in the first place ?
You can't be that unlucky to concede 4 goals against a side that can't score for toffee.
We lost because our defence was abysmal not because of bad luck. Simples.