Crystal Palace 0-1 West Ham Utd (15/10/16)

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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby De Niro on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:05 pm

irving boleyn wrote:Has anyone please got the passing stats for Noble and Obiang..


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That last column is "Passes - Square".
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby Burnley Hammer on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:15 pm

Which site is that from?
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby irving boleyn on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:16 pm

Thank you, that is very comprehensive. Is this generally accessible?
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby De Niro on Tue Oct 18, 2016 12:21 pm

That is taken from here. You need a membership to access their Opta data.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby Hampshire'ammer on Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:07 pm

In case your on here - thanks to the blokes at Thornton Heath after the game for your help when a bloke was trying to push my son off the train on Saturday.

Total twat of a bloke with no b8llocks - at least he apologised some time later - I had the choice of letting go of my boy or twatting the bloke :thdn:
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby carnage on Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:37 pm

Noble needs to reduce the number of backward passes he makes.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby szola on Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:43 pm

Why?
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby Colours never run on Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:47 pm

It's not that important. Always nice to keep those kind of passes to a minimum, but as long as we keep possession and eventually move forward, that's the main thing.

The 16 pass move that led to our superb winning goal against Palace as a case in point. A number of passes that went backwards and sideways, as they did going forwards.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby carnage on Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:00 pm

szola wrote:Why?


Rio said in his book that when he went to Man United the philosophy was always to pass forwards and backwards passes were viewed as the easy way out. Something I agree with.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby Colours never run on Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:05 pm

That's all well and good when you are surrounded by many of the best players around you, not so easy when Noble has had to rely on the players surrounding him down the years by comparison.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby szola on Tue Oct 18, 2016 9:47 pm

I'd rather Noble keeps his pass completion rate high, than increasing the passes going forward.

Actually, I'd rather Noble keeps the time spent with ball at feet to as few seconds as possible, than a high pass completion rate, or passes forward. That would improve his game.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby irving boleyn on Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:07 pm

I believe that around 50% of Mark's passes are first touches

Regardless of the height or speed the ball reaches him he seems to have a knack of laying it off first time where applicable helped by his awareness (constantly checking around him) of who is where..
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby Colours never run on Tue Oct 18, 2016 10:41 pm

irving boleyn wrote:I believe that around 50% of Mark's passes are first touches

Regardless of the height or speed the ball reaches him he seems to have a knack of laying it off first time where applicable helped by his awareness (constantly checking around him) of who is where..




Agree with that, he's generally got a great first time pass on him and awareness.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby HammerMan2004 on Wed Oct 19, 2016 10:16 am

Do West Ham play well when Noble plays well, or does Noble play well when West Ham play well? Which comes first?

Modern day chicken and egg scenario.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby James P on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:09 am

Maybe I'm being overly grouchy but I'm finding the stream of social media posts coming out from the club about how much effort we put in on Saturday a tad annoying. Effort should be a given. That it's taken til the eighth game of the season for the players to put in a performance worthy of such recognition is not something we should be shouting from the rooftops.
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:17 am

Couldn't agree more James P
If they are making such a fuss about it, it concerns me that there is an implicit recognition that effort was lacking in the other games which, is frankly, unacceptable
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby Marky on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:28 am

Completely agree as well James P its sending me potty!!!!!

I cannot say how many posts I have seen in the last 72 hours its like they have a social media spin team
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Re: Crystal Palace v West Ham - Match Thread

Postby irving boleyn on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:35 am

Well, it's because they want to avoid having to say the changearound was due to improved tactics, because that will beg the question of why did it take so long.
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