Manchester Utd 1-1 West Ham Utd (27/11/16)

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Re: Manchester United v West Ham United: Match Thread

Postby Estuary on Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:38 pm

But it's the constant standing around pointing. It's almost as if he has two personas, one that can run around and get stuck in, the other is one who stands and points.
He can't read the game without standing around in the centre of the park.


I see it like this. No Noble "standing around pointing" and Tottenham's Son ghosts past our midfield twice in exactly the same fashion and we loose a lead and get zip from the game we should have won. Noble "standing around pointing" and we get a point and almost nick it v Manchester Utd. I think he adds far more than is obvious to the eye.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby James P on Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:39 pm

My view was that Collins thought he was holding some sort of line and let Zlatan run thinking he was going offside not realising Oggy was 5 yards deeper than him. I could be wrong though.

No one came out of it covered in glory regardless.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby Estuary on Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:46 pm

James P wrote:My view was that Collins thought he was holding some sort of line and let Zlatan run thinking he was going offside not realising Oggy was 5 yards deeper than him. I could be wrong though.

No one came out of it covered in glory regardless.


That's about the size of it, Collins thought he was last man, but got done by Ogbonna not pushing up, a killer pass from Pogba, and Zlatan being tall enough to put some welly on the header. Randolph had no chance at all.

I thought we were poor first half, but got stronger and stronger in the second half especially due to Ayew coming on for Lanzini, we went for it and it nearly came off.
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Re: Manchester United v West Ham United: Match Thread

Postby Eggchaser on Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:51 pm

fjthegrey wrote:He did move his hand away though.

And one of the worlds best strikers managed to elude our scarcely used backup CB. And the pass was top drawer exceptional as well. I can forgive it.


Our "scarcely used" CB has played 200 minutes more this season than our scarcely used GK, but you can forgive one and not the other? :wink:

Personally, I think Randolph should have been off his line more quickly which would have given him a better chance of blocking it.As it was I don't think he had a chance.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby Iron-worx on Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:54 pm

Estuary wrote:That's about the size of it, Collins thought he was last man, but got done by Ogbonna not pushing up, a killer pass from Pogba, and Zlatan being tall enough to put some welly on the header. Randolph had no chance at all.


The only chance Randolph had was if it had hit him
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Re: Manchester United v West Ham United: Match Thread

Postby Estuary on Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:55 pm

Personally, I think Randolph should have been off his line more quickly which would have given him a better chance of blocking it.As it was I don't think he had a chance


I think he knew he was ****ed the minute the flag didn't go up. That's not where you want to see Zlatan get the ball, seven yards out with no pressure on him.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:06 pm

I like Noble, but let's not forget we played well for 88 minutes without him away Spurs and had a fairly deserved 2-1 lead

I wonder what would have happened to the starting eleven at Old Trafford if we had held on for the win or even a point at WHL

I don't think Noble should have come back in the team and we should have kept the same team (bar Collins for Reid)

Once we get the next two games out of the way, and we have an easier run of fixtures, i would like to see the same side v Spurs given another run out to see how it works against more beatable teams
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Re: Manchester United v West Ham United: Match Thread

Postby fjthegrey on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:14 pm

Eggchaser wrote:Our "scarcely used" CB has played 200 minutes more this season than our scarcely used GK, but you can forgive one and not the other? :wink:

Yes I can. Goalkeepers form is far less prone to wild fluctuations based on playing time. Outfield players need consistent game time to reach optimum levels of sharpness and conditioning, whereas keepers can go games without having to do that much. It's all about being ready when the moment comes.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby HammerMan2004 on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:19 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:I like Noble, but let's not forget we played well for 88 minutes without him away Spurs and had a fairly deserved 2-1 lead


You could argue that had Noble been introduced with 5 minutes to go against Spurs we might not have lost.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby Devs Hampton on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:30 pm

HammerMan2004 wrote:You could argue that had Noble been introduced with 5 minutes to go against Spurs we might not have lost.


Would go so far as to say we would not have lost in that scenario but it is all if's and but's, generally we have a bare bones squad to compete at PL level. We all know why.
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Re: Manchester United v West Ham United: Match Thread

Postby Eggchaser on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:33 pm

Estuary wrote:I think he knew he was ****ed the minute the flag didn't go up. That's not where you want to see Zlatan get the ball, seven yards out with no pressure on him.

There is always that too :D
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby wizzo_66 on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:45 pm

I don't think we played that well against Spurs. We scored from 2 set pieces and had only 33% possession, mustered 3 shots on goal to Tottenham's 6 and for the 10 minutes after Lanzini put as ahead aside (where we looked a real threat on the counter) they totally dominated us.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby Up the Junction on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:46 pm

The opposition view: Manchester United
http://kumb.com/story.php?id=130526

Post-match press conference: Slaven Bilic vs Manchester Utd
http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=130523
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby Aceface on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:00 pm

Up the Junction wrote:The opposition view: Manchester United


Image

Keepers, defences, refs. It's all against us. I'm fed up. The ball just seems to fall wrongly for us, whether it's a defender getting in the way or the 'keeper making a superhuman save; or one of our defenders having a momentary lapse of concentration. Guaranteed most of those shots go in if it's any other team, via a deflection, hand, arse, own goal, whatever. The refs seem to delight in not giving us any decisions.


Damn those defenders getting in the way...
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby Up the Junction on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:16 pm

There's a few of belters in there this week, Ace! I enjoyed the Kipling-esque post.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby 3Dicks on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:26 pm

pure gold

"In the match commentary they had time to introduce the debate that there is 'diving' and then there is 'acting to avoid an overenthusiastic tackle'. Should contact have to be made for a free kick to be awarded? Should a player have to leave his leg planted firmly on the ground and risk serious injury? Even if the free kick was not awarded, does the ref have to book Pogba for diving when he was clearly acting to avoid injury?"

Read more at http://kumb.com/story.php?id=130526

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Re: Manchester United v West Ham United: Match Thread

Postby Kialos on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:42 pm

irving boleyn wrote:I believe the Club coaches got to Stratford about 1.20. Without a stop. (Official stop!)

Thats about a 6 1/2 hour journey.


I was on the Hornchurch coach and got back to drop off point 02:20. Got in at 03:10.

It was a little testing on the M6 :P
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby wizzo_66 on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:44 pm

Mate of mine from Bournemouth is a manc season ticket holder and goes on the South West branch coach.

Stops all over the shop and still got in at midnight, must know a quick way out.
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Re: Manchester Utd v West Ham Utd: match thread

Postby Johnny Byrne's Boots on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:44 pm

I love the Fan Cam linked back up the thread with the Manc saying referees are no longer intimidated at Old Trafford, as if they should be and it's just not fair now.
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Re: Manchester United v West Ham United: Match Thread

Postby Kialos on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:45 pm

Bubbles & Squeaks 77 wrote:Only sour point of the day for me were a few fans around me ripping into Sakho when he went to ground prior to be subbed ("Get up you lazy ****" etc), despite him gesturing straight away he needed to come off the moment he lost the ball.



Well said. I did turn around and shout that he's bloody injured. Idiots.
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