West Ham Utd 0-4 Man City (01/02/17)
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
The players heads dropped after the first goal, it came from nothing, a real gift from Cresswell. After that we were a shambles and did everything possible to play to Man City's strengths. As good as City were a lot of the goals were our own doing with sloppy and risky misplaced passes in dangerous areas. City cut through us far too easily, Obiang and Noble in the midfield were completely non existent and our full backs struggled big time.
It didn't look like the players were at it mentally from the off yesterday, as if they just knew they would lose as they were miles off the pace. City took their foot off the gas for a good 15-20 minute spell, it could have been 7 or 8 if they kept their tempo up.
It didn't look like the players were at it mentally from the off yesterday, as if they just knew they would lose as they were miles off the pace. City took their foot off the gas for a good 15-20 minute spell, it could have been 7 or 8 if they kept their tempo up.
Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
City played as they did v Spurs, they drew that but they played well enough to have won by two or three goals. We on the other hand played as we did v Hull and Burnley who both should have got something more than 1-0 losses but as they are not very good our quality over came them. Not so this time, we played badly and also made awful unforced errors in key areas which is suicidal against a top side in ruthless form.
Ideally we will chalk this off to experience and go to Southampton with a will to get something. Other teams loose big, City themselves 4-0 only recently, its one thing playing so poorly, it will be quite another if you don't have the minerals to bounce back.
A word for Andy Carroll, if some of the others, Reid and Antonio apart, had half the heart and skill he showed we would at least have left the field with some pride if not any points.
Ideally we will chalk this off to experience and go to Southampton with a will to get something. Other teams loose big, City themselves 4-0 only recently, its one thing playing so poorly, it will be quite another if you don't have the minerals to bounce back.
A word for Andy Carroll, if some of the others, Reid and Antonio apart, had half the heart and skill he showed we would at least have left the field with some pride if not any points.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
This 100%.Estuary wrote:A word for Andy Carroll, if some of the others, Reid and Antonio apart, had half the heart and skill he showed we would at least have left the field with some pride if not any points.
Need to start Snodgrass and Kouyate on Saturday, at the expense of Feghouli and Noble.
And get Lanzini into the middle somehow, he is not a winger.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
I've been saying to the lot I go with for a while now, that we are one of, if not 'the' worst team in the league without the ball. Last night was another crucifying example of this.
We do not press the ball or close down, do not pressure opponents, do not close space. No organisation or discipline when we are out of possession. We do not track runners or get tight to our men. This is not just defensively, this is combined, as a team, as a unit. Both individually and as a team. The pitch is a not an excuse but it does seem to be adding to the above as its been no coincidence that its been at home where we have been smashed by 4 or 5 goals and maybe mentally & physically the bigger 'space' is exaggerating the above.
You can get away with this against lesser teams on occasions (Palace, Boro) but against a decent footballing side you will get found out and severely torn a new one. As has been evident against City (twice now), Arsenal, Manure.
Last night was probably the worst, especially first half. How much ****ing time and space we gave them was unbelievable. Its no use picking out individuals as it was the whole team. The only thing I can put it down to is the manager has set up for us to sit back and let them have the ball. And that's the second time against the same side in the space of 3 weeks, which is massively worrying. How Slav hasn't learnt from the first game needs addressing. I love him but I'm really starting to doubt his management & his inability to set up a side against teams that can play and have a bit of pace/movement.
People blaming the board for last nights result/performance need a ****ing sense check. They are at fault for a lot of the **** that has gone on this season but to blame last night solely on them is typical easy way out.
We do not press the ball or close down, do not pressure opponents, do not close space. No organisation or discipline when we are out of possession. We do not track runners or get tight to our men. This is not just defensively, this is combined, as a team, as a unit. Both individually and as a team. The pitch is a not an excuse but it does seem to be adding to the above as its been no coincidence that its been at home where we have been smashed by 4 or 5 goals and maybe mentally & physically the bigger 'space' is exaggerating the above.
You can get away with this against lesser teams on occasions (Palace, Boro) but against a decent footballing side you will get found out and severely torn a new one. As has been evident against City (twice now), Arsenal, Manure.
Last night was probably the worst, especially first half. How much ****ing time and space we gave them was unbelievable. Its no use picking out individuals as it was the whole team. The only thing I can put it down to is the manager has set up for us to sit back and let them have the ball. And that's the second time against the same side in the space of 3 weeks, which is massively worrying. How Slav hasn't learnt from the first game needs addressing. I love him but I'm really starting to doubt his management & his inability to set up a side against teams that can play and have a bit of pace/movement.
People blaming the board for last nights result/performance need a ****ing sense check. They are at fault for a lot of the **** that has gone on this season but to blame last night solely on them is typical easy way out.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
How many goals are we going to concede this season by letting someone run into our box unmarked to slot home :lol:
If we have 6 people in the box we end up letting one player out wide drag all of us towards him.
If we have 6 people in the box we end up letting one player out wide drag all of us towards him.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
Also, the 'fans' drooling over how good City were and that because they have better, more expensive players it means we shouldn't be getting a result against them anyways, are most likely the same fans who left before 60minutes.
Great ****ing attitude.
Would much rather have just the 25k left at the end for every home game - proper west ham, better atmosphere for the last 5 minutes than the entire match. Maybe after this season, all the day trippers and tourist sack it off and will be down to that for next season.
Great ****ing attitude.
Would much rather have just the 25k left at the end for every home game - proper west ham, better atmosphere for the last 5 minutes than the entire match. Maybe after this season, all the day trippers and tourist sack it off and will be down to that for next season.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
I actually posted yesterday it would be a tight game! ha ha how wrong.
City were just awesome, skinning our full backs time and time again. The passing and movement made us look like a semi-pro team. Bryon is young so times like this will happen but Cresswell is senior first team player and now international, he had a shocker Sterling destroyed him numerous times. When he got put through by Carroll in 1st half he couldn't even test the keeper.....awful, awful game.
I love Noble to bits but last night just demonstrated that he is too slow for this standard of football. Chelsea don't play Terry because they know he can not do it anymore. I think WH need to seriously think about easing Noble out of the team like Chelsea have done with Terry.
Just want to say, Carroll gets a lot of stick on these forums but last night I think he can hold his head high because he played his heart out and had a decent game I thought, the only player to come out of this with any credit.
City were just awesome, skinning our full backs time and time again. The passing and movement made us look like a semi-pro team. Bryon is young so times like this will happen but Cresswell is senior first team player and now international, he had a shocker Sterling destroyed him numerous times. When he got put through by Carroll in 1st half he couldn't even test the keeper.....awful, awful game.
I love Noble to bits but last night just demonstrated that he is too slow for this standard of football. Chelsea don't play Terry because they know he can not do it anymore. I think WH need to seriously think about easing Noble out of the team like Chelsea have done with Terry.
Just want to say, Carroll gets a lot of stick on these forums but last night I think he can hold his head high because he played his heart out and had a decent game I thought, the only player to come out of this with any credit.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
I'm not angry..
Just very, very disappointed.
We have to be top of the league in making mistakes that lead to goals?
Is that a concentration thing?
A team like City who were out of form, do no need gifts like we gave them last night, I think we were beaten before we stepped onto the pitch, the 5-0 hammering still fresh in their minds, we just rolled over, pulled our pants down and said.. there you go.
Just very, very disappointed.
We have to be top of the league in making mistakes that lead to goals?
Is that a concentration thing?
A team like City who were out of form, do no need gifts like we gave them last night, I think we were beaten before we stepped onto the pitch, the 5-0 hammering still fresh in their minds, we just rolled over, pulled our pants down and said.. there you go.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
They just wanted to copy uswildkard wrote:Was it my imagination, or did the City fans make no noise whatsoever until they scored?
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
Agree.... I remember when we defended from the front with the Valencia sakho partnership and won 2-1. We need to find that again. Carroll being less mobile can't offer us that in these types of games. He'd be better coming on from the bench.JuniorBilly wrote:I've been saying to the lot I go with for a while now, that we are one of, if not 'the' worst team in the league without the ball. Last night was another crucifying example of this.
We do not press the ball or close down, do not pressure opponents, do not close space. No organisation or discipline when we are out of possession. We do not track runners or get tight to our men. This is not just defensively, this is combined, as a team, as a unit. Both individually and as a team. The pitch is a not an excuse but it does seem to be adding to the above as its been no coincidence that its been at home where we have been smashed by 4 or 5 goals and maybe mentally & physically the bigger 'space' is exaggerating the above.
You can get away with this against lesser teams on occasions (Palace, Boro) but against a decent footballing side you will get found out and severely torn a new one. As has been evident against City (twice now), Arsenal, Manure.
Last night was probably the worst, especially first half. How much ****ing time and space we gave them was unbelievable. Its no use picking out individuals as it was the whole team. The only thing I can put it down to is the manager has set up for us to sit back and let them have the ball. And that's the second time against the same side in the space of 3 weeks, which is massively worrying. How Slav hasn't learnt from the first game needs addressing. I love him but I'm really starting to doubt his management & his inability to set up a side against teams that can play and have a bit of pace/movement.
People blaming the board for last nights result/performance need a ****ing sense check. They are at fault for a lot of the **** that has gone on this season but to blame last night solely on them is typical easy way out.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
Yeah 25k in that place would be ****ing magic!JuniorBilly wrote:Also, the 'fans' drooling over how good City were and that because they have better, more expensive players it means we shouldn't be getting a result against them anyways, are most likely the same fans who left before 60minutes.
Great ****ing attitude.
Would much rather have just the 25k left at the end for every home game - proper west ham, better atmosphere for the last 5 minutes than the entire match. Maybe after this season, all the day trippers and tourist sack it off and will be down to that for next season.
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I'd suggest its you that needs the '****ing sense check' if you think last night wasnt the fault of the owners.JuniorBilly wrote:
People blaming the board for last nights result/performance need a ****ing sense check. They are at fault for a lot of the **** that has gone on this season but to blame last night solely on them is typical easy way out.
We have an unbalanced squad/1st team 100% because of lack of investment by the owners
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Spot on. And they are SO subtle having Mancini at the game after palming off the lack of RB and striker signing onto Bilic. As if Mancini would come to West Ham with promises of signing world class players. He's not as daft as the fans who fell for it in the summer! :lol:chalks wrote: I'd suggest its you that needs the '****ing sense check' if you think last night wasnt the fault of the owners.
We have an unbalanced squad/1st team 100% because of lack of investment by the owners
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That'll be the type of striker identified by Bilic as being needed a year ago.Absolutely Hammered! wrote:
We need to find that again. Carroll being less mobile can't offer us that in these types of games. He'd be better coming on from the bench.
And he was given Zaza
And he was given Calleri
Effectively, Bilic asked for the tools to chop down a tree and was given a cement mixer and told to get on with it
Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
I haven't read all the previous posts but we should have lined up with 5 at the back last night.
We saw what they play like in the cup. Wide and quick. Lots of rotation. Don't let sterling run at you.
3 at the back with Cress and Byram as Wing Backs was the solution - or at least a better plan....
Both those boys would push slightly further forward and not only drag with them Jesus and Sterling but also be able to actually go and man-f'in-mark them. Neither of which were in 20yards of the two city players last night and as a result both got done each and every time. Cresswell played more like a Cb than a LB.
Why on earth we had Antonio and Carroll waiting in the centre circle for a counter attack when ever City had the ball i don't know.
Antonio is a WINGER. Stick him on the wing. When he finally did, he made 2 of the very few exciting attacks at their back-line.
Noble, unfortunately, has had it. He isn't suited to a (slightly) bigger pitch and if he wasn't captain he wouldn't be selected over Kouyate.
Obiang wasn't himself - was his mistake for their 3rd. Why Cress thought it was wise to pass across the middle of the pitch to no one i don't know. Please - stop giving these teams gifts.
In my opinion, it should have been:
__________Randolph
______Collins Fonte Reid
Byram_________________Cress
_____Obiang______Noble_______
Antonio________________Lanzini
___________Carroll____________
We saw what they play like in the cup. Wide and quick. Lots of rotation. Don't let sterling run at you.
3 at the back with Cress and Byram as Wing Backs was the solution - or at least a better plan....
Both those boys would push slightly further forward and not only drag with them Jesus and Sterling but also be able to actually go and man-f'in-mark them. Neither of which were in 20yards of the two city players last night and as a result both got done each and every time. Cresswell played more like a Cb than a LB.
Why on earth we had Antonio and Carroll waiting in the centre circle for a counter attack when ever City had the ball i don't know.
Antonio is a WINGER. Stick him on the wing. When he finally did, he made 2 of the very few exciting attacks at their back-line.
Noble, unfortunately, has had it. He isn't suited to a (slightly) bigger pitch and if he wasn't captain he wouldn't be selected over Kouyate.
Obiang wasn't himself - was his mistake for their 3rd. Why Cress thought it was wise to pass across the middle of the pitch to no one i don't know. Please - stop giving these teams gifts.
In my opinion, it should have been:
__________Randolph
______Collins Fonte Reid
Byram_________________Cress
_____Obiang______Noble_______
Antonio________________Lanzini
___________Carroll____________
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
They didn't make much noise even when they were winning. I've sat close to both Manchester clubs away fans this season and haven't been impressed with either. I think Watford were more vocal.wildkard wrote:Was it my imagination, or did the City fans make no noise whatsoever until they scored?
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Man City: match thread
City had a gameplan, we didn’t. They pressed high with 4 sometimes 5 pressing in our half, we had Antonio and Carroll running their nuts off whilst 4 defenders and a goalkeeper passed it around them whilst the rest of our team watched on the half way line. Byram was horribly exposed by playing Fegouhli who seemed to hug the halfway line whether we were attacking or defending. He will benefit from Snodgraass playing in front of him. Cresswell, yet again, panics under pressure. Noble tries to be everywhere and the fulcrum of play, when he should be holding and playing his ‘position’. They (City) won every second ball and seemed up for it, we didn’t.
We did nothing to change it at halftime. No new gameplan or substitutions. We have another game in 3 days and we let our better players exhaust themselves for no perceivable benefit.
These are all Team Management issues, not the size of the pitch or the board.
We did nothing to change it at halftime. No new gameplan or substitutions. We have another game in 3 days and we let our better players exhaust themselves for no perceivable benefit.
These are all Team Management issues, not the size of the pitch or the board.
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I like Slav and really want him to do well. But this smells of beginning to the end.
It's not the defeat but the manner of it. There are only two ways abject performances like last night could have been possible - and repeated within a short space of time against the same opponent: 1. tactics were identical and wrong both times (standing off, not pressing, giving too much space to a superior footballing side) thus illustrating an inability to learn from mistakes; or 2, an inability on Slav's part to get the players to play to instructions. Either is damning.
If one were to put a few red flags together since he got here - e.g his insistence of playing Antonio as a RB for way too long, the transfer muddles and passivity, the tactical naïveté against better sides, the mollycoddling of star players (after Payet it's Carroll), the inexplicable failure to even attempt last season's successful high energy pressing game - perhaps the plain truth is, he ain't good enough.
Sad day.
It's not the defeat but the manner of it. There are only two ways abject performances like last night could have been possible - and repeated within a short space of time against the same opponent: 1. tactics were identical and wrong both times (standing off, not pressing, giving too much space to a superior footballing side) thus illustrating an inability to learn from mistakes; or 2, an inability on Slav's part to get the players to play to instructions. Either is damning.
If one were to put a few red flags together since he got here - e.g his insistence of playing Antonio as a RB for way too long, the transfer muddles and passivity, the tactical naïveté against better sides, the mollycoddling of star players (after Payet it's Carroll), the inexplicable failure to even attempt last season's successful high energy pressing game - perhaps the plain truth is, he ain't good enough.
Sad day.
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It's not the tourists or the day trippers that are going to sack it off...JuniorBilly wrote:at the end for every home game - proper west ham, better atmosphere for the last 5 minutes than the entire match. Maybe after this season, all the day trippers and tourist sack it off and will be down to that for next season.