Watford 1-1 West Ham Utd (25/02/17)

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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby 61dicksey on Sun Feb 26, 2017 9:54 am

Watching the sending off of Antonio again , I don't think the ref would have give it unless a posse of Watford players hassled Pawson.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby OFT on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:17 am

61dicksey wrote:Watching the sending off of Antonio again , I don't think the ref would have give it unless a posse of Watford players hassled Pawson.


Just seen it on MOTD and that's exactly what I thought.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Iron George on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:21 am

61dicksey wrote:Watching the sending off of Antonio again , I don't think the ref would have give it unless a posse of Watford players hassled Pawson.



Led by that little **** Cleverley.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Iron George on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:26 am

the pink palermo wrote:Two points dropped for me today , we did more than enough to win the game , but conceding the softest of penalties hurt us badly .

Fonte I thought was generally assured, Lanzini excellent in the second half and Obiang gave his usual decent showing .Noble had a good enough game but Snodgrass had one to forget .

That's 2 games without Carroll that we've drawn that we would surely have won had he played , four precious points dropped against sides we need to be finishing off , and we need to find some solution to this on-going issue .

No higher than 9th for my money now , but we're better to watch now than early season .Watford though were disappointing, lots of niggly fouls and poor gamesmanship throughout .

Our support gave a decent reception to Zarate and Behrami as well as the applause during play for Graham Taylor , classy stuff from our lads .


As is often the case with your posts I agree with all of it, definitely feels like two points dropped.

Still think to press the game more Slav needs to bring on Byram after an hour or so and shift Kouyate into midfield for a bit of energy, probably most times in place of Noble.

Lanzini was much better 2nd half but seemed to be playing more central than in the 1st half, i don't get why, with two natural wingers in Feghouli and Snodgrass, Slav starts Lanzini wide where he struggles to influence the game.

Great away support again, and hats off to the players that came over at the end and gave the kids their shirts.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby -DL- on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:27 am

61dicksey wrote:Watching the sending off of Antonio again , I don't think the ref would have give it unless a posse of Watford players hassled Pawson.


Regardless of that, it was a deliberate handball, and the ref got it spot on. he was a silly boy and shouldn't have done it.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby OFT on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:32 am

-DL- wrote:
Regardless of that, it was a deliberate handball, and the ref got it spot on. he was a silly boy and shouldn't have done it.


Of that there is no doubt but, having just seen it, I've convinced myself he was going to let it go until the Watford 'Mob' formed a circle
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby thejackhammer on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:35 am

The ref wasn't going to give the penalty until Deeney asked, really weak officiating from him.

How on Earth did Niang stay on the pitch?
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Oldun on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:39 am

The problem with Antonios sending off is the law that says he has too be booked for deliberate handball .
Once again the ref is not allowed to judge the severity of the offence,if the handball stops a dangerous attack then yes,if it was what Antonio done yesterday then no.
Refs are not allowed to ref sensibly.

Just checked the law and it says to receive a yellow card the player has to
commit a foul or handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack,I don't remember it being that.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby brooking_1980 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:59 am

the pink palermo wrote:Our support gave a decent reception to Zarate and Behrami as well as the applause during play for Graham Taylor , classy stuff from our lads .


Yes, that was great, and its what makes me proud to be part of the West Ham family.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Billydinho on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:08 am

I'm not getting this 'fair result' stuff.

Watford were appalling, I've seen us dominate a game away from home like that before.

All they did was sit back, dive and then hoof it anywhere. Very Allardyce.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby hammerman11 on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:29 am

2 pts dropped for sure
antonio had to go watford mob or not.
penalty for us but for some reason not given
lanzini should be central not wide

great support and good to see the players coming over. nice singing of super slav.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Yea Why Not on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:45 am

I didn't think think our shout was a penalty to be honest. Seen them given for sure but not quite enough in it for me and up the other end I doubt there'd be a soul on here thinking it should be given

Ref had a good game imo.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby thejackhammer on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:51 am

Yea Why Not wrote:I didn't think think our shout was a penalty to be honest. Seen them given for sure but not quite enough in it for me and up the other end I doubt there'd be a soul on here thinking it should be given

Ref had a good game imo.


Our penalty shout was much stronger than their given penalty.

Niang had Kouyate by the throat and then by the waist. Arguably Antonio could have had one as well but he stayed on his feet.

Ref was poor. Niang got away with plenty of fouls on Kouyate whilst he was on a yellow, whilst the red card and penalty were correct calls they were only given because the Watford players asked.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Doc H Ball on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:52 am

Yea Why Not wrote:Ref had a good game imo.


Going out on a limb there YWN. I thought he had a shocker.

The foul on Kouyate was more of an obvious penalty than Kouyate's foul on Zarate. The bloke had his arm around his waist.

There were a few incidents on that right wing second half not given. I reckon Elton was buying that lino flowers.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Yea Why Not on Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:57 am

For me their man was in front and Kouyate had the first lean. Granted it wasn't clear cut either way but I certainly wouldn't have been happy if it was given against us

Theirs was definitely a penalty imo
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Mega Ron on Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:01 pm

Zarate was clever with the contact whereas Kouyate goes down in appeal.

Kouyate fouled his player by accident and Niang did it on purpose. How one is a penalty and the other isn't is beyond me. I expect we'd have had more chance with the decisions at home.

It's just a shame we don't play at home anyone.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby fester on Sun Feb 26, 2017 12:18 pm

The way I saw it the ref had a good game. He let the football flow. He got some decisions wrong and they went against us - a Homer, as such. The real issue is why do we NEVER get a Homer ref (and that includes both the OS and the Boleyn)?

I don't see the Kouyate penalty appeal as being given in most games BUT if Kouyate's accidental trip is given - surely the deliberate arm across the chest/shoulder/throat should be?

If a ref. is obviously bad I really do feel it and get completely irate. I didn't feel anything yesterday other than I was sure that we would equalise and go on to win. Antonio's red card put paid to that. On that subject, I saw a lot worse from unbooked Watford players than Antonio's first yellow. The sending off was the correct decision.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby askimhammer on Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:06 pm

ludo22 wrote:If only Antonio had a brain he would be blinding but he was great today.


If he also could pass and hit the goal with his shots and hit the ball when he tries to shoot he would be playing for Chelsea or Barcelona or the likes.
So I guess we must be grateful for his flaws. :)
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby Ingwe on Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:49 pm

I'm afraid I still doubt Bilic's tactical nouse. Why take off Snodders and then put on Callieri rather then Fletcher? Almost every game sees the same poor substitutions or players played out of position.
Poor refereeing is only part of the reason we dropped two points yesterday.
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Re: Watford v West Ham Utd match thread

Postby thejackhammer on Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:52 pm

Ingwe wrote:I'm afraid I still doubt Bilic's tactical nouse. Why take off Snodders and then put on Callieri rather then Fletcher? Almost every game sees the same poor substitutions or players played out of position.
Poor refereeing is only part of the reason we dropped two points yesterday.


If Calleri shows more in training you can't pick Fletcher. Fletcher also wasn't on the bench so there's that.
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