West Ham Utd 1-2 Chelsea (06/03/17)

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Re: West Ham Utd vs Chelsea: Match Thread

Postby Regista on Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:07 pm

Evidently you don't have much of an eye for football. Obiang is the best passer in our team.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Chelsea: Match Thread

Postby Colours never run on Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:11 pm

:lol: Joker


As for best passer, that would Lanzini.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Chelsea: Match Thread

Postby Billydinho on Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:13 pm

Obiang is definitely our best passer of a ball.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Chelsea: Match Thread

Postby Regista on Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:24 pm

Colours never run wrote::lol: Joker


As for best passer, that would Lanzini.


Seriously? Why's that? Because you looked us up on WhoScored and he has the highest successful pass percentage? That's because 90% of his passes are 3-5 yards or quick little one-twos (not a criticism). For all his strengths, Lanzini is not somebody that will often play a defence splitting pass, that's far more Pedro's bag.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Chelsea: Match Thread

Postby Colours never run on Wed Mar 08, 2017 7:33 pm

Because he makes more of his passes as well as a higher frequency of them and protects possession extremely well in much tighter areas of the pitch where it's harder to keep the ball in the middle third of the pitch as well as the oppositions half. Noble would be the next best passer in the team, then Obiang who I strongly advocated to be in the side last season when he was struggling to get in it when others couldn't see what he was about.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Chelsea: Match Thread

Postby Regista on Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:07 pm

I think you're struggling to comprehend that a player simply completing a lot of passes doesn't necessarily make them a great passer.

Like I said, most of Lanzini's passes are short, usually with the intention of retaining possession, whereas Pedro gets the ball around the halfway line and tries to split the defence and get somebody in behind — often successfully. That's a good passer.

Of course the player that plays most of their passes short is going to complete more, for one because it's easier to complete a 5 yard pass than a 30 yard one, secondly because there's far more opportunities to play a short pass than a long pass. Making conclusions based on numbers is stupid.

Colours never run wrote:protects possession extremely well in much tighter areas of the pitch where it's harder to keep the ball in the middle third of the pitch as well as the oppositions half


That's about close control and dribbling, nothing to do with passing.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Chelsea: Match Thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:17 pm

Obiang has the best range of passing for sure. Lanzini and Nobke may be better at short pin point passes but neither of them get close to Obiang's ability to ping a ball.
All of that is by the by to the main point that Kante and Obiang are in no way similar except they play in midfield and have some kind of defensive, rather than attacking remit

Obiang should be playing as a box to Box midfielder for us in my eyes. His talent being wasted at the moment IMHO
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Chelsea: Match Thread

Postby Colours never run on Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:06 pm

Hang on, I could say the same about Obiang not being able to play anywhere near as many intricate 1 and 2 touch passes in the tightest areas of the pitch under pressure that Lanzini constantly does. They are both asked to do different jobs in different areas of the pitch but I wouldn't be surprised to see Lanzini ping a pass from deep if asked too as I've seen enough of his technique with a ball in general to believe that, but as he's rarely in Obiangs position to do so, we cannot say for sure he doesn't have it in his locker. I have though seen Obiang lose possession when he does rarely venture forward.

So when I weigh up who's a better passer, I take everything in to account and for me the amount of successful passes someone makes, however they are made under different circumstances it's Lanzini that's the best at it. I see that during games and the stats only back up what I thought I saw.

Good discussion though.
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