Arsenal 3-0 West Ham Utd (05/04/17)

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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby ashbanki on Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:53 am

Tore,Feghouli,Ayew,Calleri,Snodgrass - Five attempts at replacing the "decidedly average" Valencia and Moses, five unmitigated failures,imo.Cresswell,Byram,Masuaku and,even, Jenkinson are better "wingers" than that lot!
Our only attacking threat was over when Antonio went off -When Lanzini drove forward ,his team mates just stopped and watched,with fingers crossed, that he could beat five or six players and score!! Fonte was captain of Southampton,apparently, yet he appears mute in our defense and kept colliding/going for the same ball as his team mates??
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby ashbanki on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:01 am

DDHammer wrote:Adrian
Byram, Reid, Kouyate, Cresswell
Obiang, Noble
Antonio, Lanzini, Masuaku
Carroll/Ayew

Probably our best line-up if everyone was fit.


Spot on,but swap Ayew for Sakho,imo. Next question,with the exception of the last minute buy of Masuaku,to cover the Cresswell injury - what was the point of the last summer and this winter transfer windows?? If only we had had a transfer embargo (for breaching FFP rules!) put on us.
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Romford on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:08 am

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
He certainly gave us the runaround least season playing up front on his own

Anyway, i didn't say he had to play up top on his own, he could play as a 2nd striker

What is pointless is playing him on the wing


We wont play a 2nd striker...and i haven't seen him play as a winger.
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby YorksHammer on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:10 am

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:He certainly gave us the runaround least season playing up front on his own

Anyway, i didn't say he had to play up top on his own, he could play as a 2nd striker

What is pointless is playing him on the wing


But he's a left winger. Almost every game he played in his career before moving to Swansea was as a left winger.

What's almost remarkable is that we haven't played him as a left winger this season at all, if my recollection is right. CAM, RW, and second ST.
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:14 am

Romford wrote:
We wont play a 2nd striker...and i haven't seen him play as a winger.


Well that is Bilic's decision not to play a 2nd striker, no one else

I am not saying Ayew is worth £20m. Too early to judge for me
But judging him when he is patently not being used in the right way is very harsh IMHO
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:16 am

YorksHammer wrote:
But he's a left winger. Almost every game he played in his career before moving to Swansea was as a left winger.

What's almost remarkable is that we haven't played him as a left winger this season at all, if my recollection is right. CAM, RW, and second ST.


His performances for Swansea are most relevant as those are when he has played in the Premiership. Not France.

Clearly he had a good season last year in the Premiership, and for a lot of that time, he was playing right up top
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Romford on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:16 am

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
Well that is Bilic's decision not to play a 2nd striker, no one else

I am not saying Ayew is worth £20m. Too early to judge for me
But judging him when he is patently not being used in the right way is very harsh IMHO


We have a problem in midfield with 5 players in there...you want it to become 4 ?
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Romford on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:18 am

Im not being harsh on Ayew...im just saying that he hasn't shown anything special to me.

After all the players getting slagged off on here...I just wonder why he is getting a fair run when others haven't.

Noble was our best player last night...I haven't seen anyone say it.
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:21 am

Romford wrote:
We have a problem in midfield with 5 players in there...you want it to become 4 ?


would certainly not be against giving a diamond formation a go. let's be honest. can't be much worse than what else we have at the moment

Nordveit at the base
Noble and Kouyate in the middle
Lanzini at the tip

Antonio and Ayew up front
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Romford on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:23 am

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
would certainly not be against giving a diamond formation a go. let's be honest. can't be much worse than what else we have at the moment

Nordveit at the base
Noble and Kouyate in the middle
Lanzini at the tip

Antonio and Ayew up front


If we'd have played that last night we'd have Bilic out by now mate :D
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby DDHammer on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:26 am

I'm waiting on Ayew to get a proper pre-season with us. Horrible injury in his first game, then off to the Afcon. Still has 3 goals and an assist in the 350 minutes since returning. Slightly over 1 in 2 for the season so far.

Work on his fitness over the summer and he should hopefully look like the player he always has done for other clubs.
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Romford on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:30 am

Lets be honest.....taking on even a crap Arsenal team with the defence we had last night was always going to be "backs to the wall".
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby DaveWHU1964 on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:31 am

DDHammer wrote:I'm waiting on Ayew to get a proper pre-season with us. Horrible injury in his first game, then off to the Afcon. Still has 3 goals and an assist in the 350 minutes since returning. Slightly over 1 in 2 for the season so far.

Work on his fitness over the summer and he should hopefully look like the player he always has done for other clubs.

Agreed. Bloke needs time.
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:32 am

Romford wrote:
If we'd have played that last night we'd have Bilic out by now mate :D


doesn't have to be played against Arsenal away

But can certainly have been given a go in a number of other games
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby The Gibbins on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:47 am

4 in midfield only works with hard working, fit midfielders with discipline. We lack all of those traits this season, you have to look at Leicester to see how a 4-4-2 is utilised. Our players do not have the qualities, we would get battered.
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Romford on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:48 am

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:
doesn't have to be played against Arsenal away

But can certainly have been given a go in a number of other games


I personally would play a different shape...I have moaned about it all season.

Right now though with the scratch back 4 we have.....I'd be looking at keeping a clean sheet more.

(how it hurts me to say it)
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Wilko1304 on Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:58 am

The Gibbins wrote:4 in midfield only works with hard working, fit midfielders with discipline. We lack all of those traits this season, you have to look at Leicester to see how a 4-4-2 is utilised. Our players do not have the qualities, we would get battered.


Depends on how you play your 442. A diamond gives us more in the middle and makes our full backs the width. Considering all they can do is attack, we might as well utilise that and protect them as we do.

For me, the other option is the five at the back again and Nordtveit or Fernandes in with Noble.

Not sure I see Ayew in the team whatever we do, luxury we aren't earning
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:07 pm

Wilko, I am noy saying Ayew should be in the starting eleven. But if you want to judge him fairly, then do it when he has played in the positions that he did so well for Swansea last year

I honestly don't think he knows where he is supposed to be playing, or what he is supposed to be doing, which, unfortunately is the case for a lot of our players at the moment
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby Wilko1304 on Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:11 pm

Not disagreeing, but either way his position isn't working and if we are gonna fight then we don't carry him
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Re: Arsenal vs West Ham United Match Thread

Postby BenniBlanco on Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:12 pm

Very pleased with the first half display. Antonio was a key outlet, but I couldn't work what Big Andy and Ayew roles were. Both were poor imo even in the first half.

Collins was immense at times with a few important blocks and tackles.

Time to give Adrian a runout, Randolph deserved his chance but it works both ways

Lanzini looked great at times, but I can't work out if he was let down by his teammates or if he was trying to do too much on his own
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