West Ham Utd 0-4 Liverpool (14/05/17)

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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread

Postby the pink palermo on Tue May 16, 2017 7:24 am

RichieRiv wrote:As much as I agree that sportsmanship is important, maybe it's about time (for certain teams anyway) we simply play to the referees whistle.


Absolutely Richie .

The referee is the only person on the pitch who can give a decision .

The third goal on Sunday was in no small part of a consequence of our players trotting along undoubtedly in the belief the ref would blow the whistle .........but he didn't .

Had they ran hard and tracked back that goal might not have happened .
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Tue May 16, 2017 7:52 am

Kialos wrote:
People claiming Reid was not injured and he was making a meal out of it are borderline trolling. Reid got a smack in the head, that is a fact. Only Reid knows how injured he was, the same as every other player that goes down unless it is something obvious like a broken leg or nose. The rule book is perfectly clear. If it is a head injury then the game should be stopped. How difficult is that to understand?


It isn't 'boderline trolling' at all. Liverpool should have kicked the ball out, same as they should have done on the previous occasion when Clyne got an earful. However, my opinion is Reid stayed down hoping when he saw the break was on hoping it would encourage this to happen.

Nothing against Winston. He is my favourite player. Just saying it like I think it is.

None of that excuses the rank awful defending that followed tbf
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Tue May 16, 2017 7:59 am

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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread

Postby Johnny Byrne's Boots on Tue May 16, 2017 11:00 am

Crouchy and Pinky have it right in my opinion.

I feel Reid made a meal of his undoubted whack to the jaw, staying down (was he really so stunned he couldn't get up?) in an attempt to influence the referee. I also think the referee knew it and didn't fall for the play acting.

As for stopping the game and playing to the whistle, I believe refs receive training about when to stop the game for injuries. Do players?

I do know I'd have been livid if the situation had been reversed but the ref had stopped our pacy breakaway move (fat chance) to treat someone who got up as soon as the whistle went.

None of this explains Nordtveit and Collins watching Coutinho in admiration and wondering which side of the goal he'd choose to score.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread

Postby The Gibbins on Tue May 16, 2017 11:08 am

It was too obvious Reid was making an absolute meal of it. A typical centre back trying to do something he simply cannot pull off.

The fact of the matter is that it was a clear handbal with arms stretched in an unnatural position with a perfect view for the referee and he somehow missed it. It was one of the most clear cut handball decisions you are likely to see.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread

Postby fjthegrey on Tue May 16, 2017 11:12 am

It wasn't a penalty.

Reid clearly headbutted Wijnaldum's hand onto the ball. Probably a yellow card for Winston if it's anything.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread

Postby The Gibbins on Tue May 16, 2017 11:14 am

Nordveidt watching Coutinho was poor, you could see his head dropped in that match and he was going through the motions the majority of the second half. Not good enough, he hasn't impressed me at all when i have watched him this season, he looks like another Radsolav Kovac.

As for Collins, i think it was impossible for him, near enough any Centre Back in the Premier League is getting skinned by Coutinho in a one on one situation. He is a small, quick, skillful player that is comfortable going either side of you so there's not a hope in hell unless you stick a leg out and get lucky, but 9/10 you stick a leg out and commit a foul.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread

Postby steps on Tue May 16, 2017 11:52 am

Bilic said it was a head injury.

Replays show Wijnaldum clearly handling the ball and also cleaning Winston out with his arm.

The Liverpool keeper was signaling to the ref that Winston needed attention before celebrating a goal a few seconds later.

How much more evidence do we need here?

Players go down for less but we know Reid is not that type of player. Also Bilic is not the type of manager to use excuses in interviews.
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