If anyone deserves a booking for celebration it's Sturridge and his ridiculous "dance", which he did right in front of us (142) yesterday.The Old Mile End wrote:Anyone know why the Liverpool player (probably Continho) was not booked for going over to celebrate his goal with the crowd? Lanzini was booked for doing it on Friday.
Not that I'm advocating it, but isn't it a bookable offence these days?
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If anyone deserves a booking for celebration it's Sturridge and his ridiculous "dance", which he did right in front of us (142) yesterday.
IF we were to sign him , and he did actually score for us do you think something could be written in to his contract to prevent him from ever doing the dance again ?
Nearly as cringeworthy as the Harry Kane/ Delle Ali thing
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Fully agree, ironically I think that yesterday's result was actually a good thing as it should remove any complacency from the board and manager over the summer and ensure that we start next season with a fitter, stronger and more resilient squad.Crouchend_Hammer wrote:Fonte was playing Sturridge onside. An awful offside trap.
As for their third, it was probabky hand ball and liverpool should have kicked it out of play as Reid was down, but that doesn't excuse the awful awful defending from that point. Someone should have shown some initiative and simply fouled whoever had the ball and then kicked it out. That was up their in the worst top flight defending I have ever seen. We need to seriously work on our defending of counter attacks as we have been done loads of times this season
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morganwhu wrote: you could argue that we basically need 9 decent top class players to even complete with the top 8 (not the 2 that Sully pretends we do).
No, last summer we signed ****.Patito wrote:We don't need to be doing what we did in the last summer transfer window and signing body after body.
This summer we need to sign decent players.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread
Morgan, it's not quite that bad. Here would be my list:
Adrian
Reid
Cresswell
Masuaku
Byram
Kouyate
Noble
Obiang
Antonio
Fernandes
Lanzini
Ayew
Carroll - based only on his ability (I understand and agree with the injury argument)
Sakho - based only on his ability (I understand and agree with the injury argument)
Others can argue the toss about including others but those for me are the genuine quality we have right now that makes us tick when they play. Injuries will always be a part of this Club and won't change drastically anytime soon so we have to go with it for now. Add in 2 or 3 Academy players into the squad which should happen next season then we are looking at about a handful of genuine quality to add to the squad make-up. Zabaleta going by all reports is close to signing then it's even less. But the 4 or so new players do need to be serious quality that can hit the ground running. We ain't a million miles away from having a decent squad. This is the Dave's biggest test to see just how serious and good they are at their jobs to get the kind of players that can truly make the difference with all the resources we can now call upon involving renevue and sales like some of the Payet money and possibly someone who could get sold. One things for sure though is that we definitely don't and shouldn't attempt to sign half a squad again like last summer. It woukd be the wrong avenue to go down and it set us back for this season doing so.
Adrian
Reid
Cresswell
Masuaku
Byram
Kouyate
Noble
Obiang
Antonio
Fernandes
Lanzini
Ayew
Carroll - based only on his ability (I understand and agree with the injury argument)
Sakho - based only on his ability (I understand and agree with the injury argument)
Others can argue the toss about including others but those for me are the genuine quality we have right now that makes us tick when they play. Injuries will always be a part of this Club and won't change drastically anytime soon so we have to go with it for now. Add in 2 or 3 Academy players into the squad which should happen next season then we are looking at about a handful of genuine quality to add to the squad make-up. Zabaleta going by all reports is close to signing then it's even less. But the 4 or so new players do need to be serious quality that can hit the ground running. We ain't a million miles away from having a decent squad. This is the Dave's biggest test to see just how serious and good they are at their jobs to get the kind of players that can truly make the difference with all the resources we can now call upon involving renevue and sales like some of the Payet money and possibly someone who could get sold. One things for sure though is that we definitely don't and shouldn't attempt to sign half a squad again like last summer. It woukd be the wrong avenue to go down and it set us back for this season doing so.
Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread
morganwhu wrote:
No, last summer we signed ****.
This summer we need to sign decent players.
We always need to sign 'decent' players. We still don't need a mass exodus and loads of new faces coming through the door. A handful of sensible signings will suffice, not a completely new team.
Edit - CNR has summed it up well
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Talking of goal celebrations and no bookings for Sturridge and Coutinho, how much ****ing time did the ref allow them to celebrate every goal?? Once upon a time the ref would be straight over to the celebrating players urging them back for the re-start, these days they seem to be allowed to celebrate as if they've just won the title.
Anyway, I digress. I feared the worst once Bilic broke the news earlier in the week that Kouyate and Noble were out and with all the other first teamers out, it was as I feared. Twas always going to be difficult yesterday and ultimately they had more hunger for the game than our team who other than Adrian, Lanzini and Feghouli, were shocking yesterday.
It was reasonably even up til their goal and from the BMU I couldn't tell if Sturridge was on or off and I havent bothered with MOTD but enough on here have suggested that it was just on but for me the biggest sinner in the first half had to be Ayew. If he scored at such a pivotal moment before half time, it was a game changer but whatever shred of confidence he may have been clinging on to went out of the window as he managed to hit the post from a matter of feet, not once but twice - I made a twat of myself with my premature celebrations, I mean it had to be a goal didn't it??
Second half they went for it and we just surrended to be fair. They bullied us all over the place and they are not exactly what I would call a physical team but we rolled over for them far too tamely and yes, like tens of thousands of others, the fourth was the nail in the coffin and we left. Last two games epitomise being a West Ham fan - a complete team performance against Spurs full of grit followed by an an abject surrender full of ****.
Anyway, I digress. I feared the worst once Bilic broke the news earlier in the week that Kouyate and Noble were out and with all the other first teamers out, it was as I feared. Twas always going to be difficult yesterday and ultimately they had more hunger for the game than our team who other than Adrian, Lanzini and Feghouli, were shocking yesterday.
It was reasonably even up til their goal and from the BMU I couldn't tell if Sturridge was on or off and I havent bothered with MOTD but enough on here have suggested that it was just on but for me the biggest sinner in the first half had to be Ayew. If he scored at such a pivotal moment before half time, it was a game changer but whatever shred of confidence he may have been clinging on to went out of the window as he managed to hit the post from a matter of feet, not once but twice - I made a twat of myself with my premature celebrations, I mean it had to be a goal didn't it??
Second half they went for it and we just surrended to be fair. They bullied us all over the place and they are not exactly what I would call a physical team but we rolled over for them far too tamely and yes, like tens of thousands of others, the fourth was the nail in the coffin and we left. Last two games epitomise being a West Ham fan - a complete team performance against Spurs full of grit followed by an an abject surrender full of ****.
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That match just showed what a **** summer of business we did as hardly any were good enough yesterday. We were always going to get thrashed, especially with no protection for our back three. It was the slowest back three in the league against one of the fastest moving attacking three in the league.
Liverpool could have scored about 8 in first gear yesterday, we were so far off them in terms of quality.
Liverpool could have scored about 8 in first gear yesterday, we were so far off them in terms of quality.
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Not at all surprised by the result yesterday. Told my mates we'd turn up wearing flip flops and Hawaii shirts. Saying that, had ayew not played pinball and the ref been less of a **** we might have gotten something. But when we went behind it was always going to be curtains. The difference in motivation was too much.
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We 100% looked as though they were on the beach yesterday and without Noble and Kouyate we were always up against it. That and some spineless refereeing meant we got a real beating. A disappointing end to a disappointing season it has to be said.
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I really do not think Byram is good enough, I've seen enough of him now and seen him have one or two decent games....most recently vs Spurs.Colours never run wrote:Morgan, it's not quite that bad. Here would be my list:
Adrian
Reid
Cresswell
Masuaku
Byram
Kouyate
Noble
Obiang
Antonio
Fernandes
Lanzini
Ayew
Carroll - based only on his ability (I understand and agree with the injury argument)
Sakho - based only on his ability (I understand and agree with the injury argument)
Others can argue the toss about including others but those for me are the genuine quality we have right now that makes us tick when they play. Injuries will always be a part of this Club and won't change drastically anytime soon so we have to go with it for now. Add in 2 or 3 Academy players into the squad which should happen next season then we are looking at about a handful of genuine quality to add to the squad make-up. Zabaleta going by all reports is close to signing then it's even less. But the 4 or so new players do need to be serious quality that can hit the ground running. We ain't a million miles away from having a decent squad. This is the Dave's biggest test to see just how serious and good they are at their jobs to get the kind of players that can truly make the difference with all the resources we can now call upon involving renevue and sales like some of the Payet money and possibly someone who could get sold. One things for sure though is that we definitely don't and shouldn't attempt to sign half a squad again like last summer. It woukd be the wrong avenue to go down and it set us back for this season doing so.
Also in that list, we have a number of players who do the same job/play in the same position e.g Cresswell and Masuaku......Noble, Obiang, Kouyate and Fernandes.
I do not think Ayew does enough to warrant a starting 11, I just do not understand his position or what he really offers, he has scored a few 'tap-in' poachers goals this season but I do not see him as a second striker neither do I see him being good enough to play as one of three up front.
With Carroll and Sakho, we basically do not have a striker, you cannot go into a season relying upon either of them.
Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread
morganwhu wrote:
Also in that list, we have a number of players who do the same job/play in the same position e.g ......Noble, Obiang, Kouyate and Fernandes.
How on earth have you worked that one out?
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What a sad day it truly was, I though it was a bad day when we found out it was family day and the players had their children with them, perhaps buckets and spades also ready for an holiday? as so many have said it reflects how much bad business we did in summer and January, but Mr Social Media Man Himself Gold in an exclusive on another forum, not our fault, nothing ever seems to be their fault they are both tefal men lol
The exit door has to be opened quickly and see many faces depart, also it has to include some who are injury prone, you seem so many top strikers who deliver and sadly ours simply don't injuries apart,
Saddened me even though the players let us down it felt as if we were at Anfield at times the way their supporters were, and I never like to see so many doing the early walk.
Can we lift ourselves for next week? I have stopped trying to work out if we can? Poor refereeing again, the yellow card soon came out for one of our players, and the handball, summed up yesterday, and to be on TV a well..
The exit door has to be opened quickly and see many faces depart, also it has to include some who are injury prone, you seem so many top strikers who deliver and sadly ours simply don't injuries apart,
Saddened me even though the players let us down it felt as if we were at Anfield at times the way their supporters were, and I never like to see so many doing the early walk.
Can we lift ourselves for next week? I have stopped trying to work out if we can? Poor refereeing again, the yellow card soon came out for one of our players, and the handball, summed up yesterday, and to be on TV a well..
Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread
morganwhu wrote:
Also in that list, we have a number of players who do the same job/play in the same position e.g ......Noble, Obiang, Kouyate and Fernandes.
They are all fairly central, fairly defensive midfield players.Patito wrote:How on earth have you worked that one out?
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They are all fairly central, fairly defensive midfield players.
Well, Fernandes certainly isn't.
Noble and Kouyate aren't even remotely similar in terms of playing styles.
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Agreed Croutchend, poor sportsmanship from the scousers not to kick the ball out when Reid went down with a head injury. But the defending was so poor I think our players were in shock that the ref didn't stop the game. Coutinho just walzed past them, but we should of played to the whistle.
Poor darts which ever way you look at it.
Poor darts which ever way you look at it.
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Well, Fernandes certainly isn't.
Noble and Kouyate aren't even remotely similar in terms of playing styles.
Exactly that.
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Re: West Ham Utd vs Liverpool: match thread
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So apart from Byram who you have issue with (personally I'm more than happy with him and will only keep improving) and the injury jinxed Strikers which I agree cannot be relied upon alone, everyone else you're fine with which only goes to show we definitely don't need half a squad. A handful of quality players is all we realistically need and should try and get. And Zabaleta would be a good start with more funds available for fees on areas that will cost a lot ie a new quality fit Striker. I'll probably be in the minority, but Bacca would be the one I'd go for and reckon this time he'd come.
So apart from Byram who you have issue with (personally I'm more than happy with him and will only keep improving) and the injury jinxed Strikers which I agree cannot be relied upon alone, everyone else you're fine with which only goes to show we definitely don't need half a squad. A handful of quality players is all we realistically need and should try and get. And Zabaleta would be a good start with more funds available for fees on areas that will cost a lot ie a new quality fit Striker. I'll probably be in the minority, but Bacca would be the one I'd go for and reckon this time he'd come.
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As they were breaking away, i saw both Mignolet and a couple of others trying to make the point to kick it out. And then, yes, Mignolet did have a proper celebration when they scored!
I will give Coutinho the benefit of the doubt that he simply didn't realise rather than made a deliberate decision to play on.
As i said earlier, it doesn't excuse what went on after from a defensive point of view, and let's be honest Winston made a bit of a meal of it. I think he was hoping that if he stayed down the game would be stopped, but it backfired
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Ha ha. i noticed this.wildkard wrote:Their keeper was even trying to attract the refs attention when Reid was down. Well, at least initially, before he then celebrated like they'd won the FA Cup, Would Cup, and justice for Michael Shields all at the same time. Doesn't excuse us defending like we were playing our wives at FIFA and giving them a chance.
As they were breaking away, i saw both Mignolet and a couple of others trying to make the point to kick it out. And then, yes, Mignolet did have a proper celebration when they scored!
I will give Coutinho the benefit of the doubt that he simply didn't realise rather than made a deliberate decision to play on.
As i said earlier, it doesn't excuse what went on after from a defensive point of view, and let's be honest Winston made a bit of a meal of it. I think he was hoping that if he stayed down the game would be stopped, but it backfired
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So apart from Byram who you have issue with (personally I'm more than happy with him and will only keep improving) and the injury jinxed Strikers which I agree cannot be relied upon alone, everyone else you're fine with which only goes to show we definitely don't need half a squad. A handful of quality players is all we realistically need and should try and get. And Zabaleta would be a good start with more funds available for fees on areas that will cost a lot ie a new quality fit Striker. I'll probably be in the minority, but Bacca would be the one I'd go for and reckon this time he'd come.
I think we need to buy the following:
- GK
- RB
- CB
- LM/CAM
- ST
- ST
So realistically 6 players who can start, not squad players, not substitutes.