Crystal Palace 2-2 West Ham Utd (28/10/17)

[Crouchend_Hammer]

West Ham under a Bilic have the unique ability, on occasions, to sit back and offer nothing going forward but still remain absolutely wide open

It is some achievement

If you are going to allow Palace chance aftwe chance second half, at least try and create some the other end! Did we even have a shot on target second half

[bubbles500]

Completely amazing that the 4 players including Antonio,that not one of them gets back to our penalty area before the goal is scored.Antonio massively to blame but the other 3 as well.Total shambles,a non league team would have better game management.

[TheHandOfDog]

West Ham under a Bilic have the unique ability, on occasions, to sit back and offer nothing going forward but still remain absolutely wide open

It is some achievement

If you are going to allow Palace chance aftwe chance second half, at least try and create some the other end! Did we even have a shot on target second half

This 1000%. I have never understood why we continue to do it when it is clear we are not capable of doing it.

[Lilyhammer]

Only one person to blame for the injury time equaliser, Antonio!
nothing to do with formations, substitutions or the starting 11, 1-2 up with a minute to go he has the ball in the Oppositions corner and he decided to cross it, he could and should of ran the ball to the corner flag and stood on the ball end of!

[richneal]

Palace deserved at least a point - perhaps all three. We got one thanks to some great work by Hart & the woodwork helped us a couple of times, c'est la vie.

Ogbonna's foul for the penalty was interesting. Townsend was running away from goal, two players covering behind him. No need for a foul - I'm wondering if it was just clumsy & unintended from Ogbonna

Plenty of blame to go round for their equalizer, yes, appalling cross by Antonio but he wasn't the one who allowed the ball to travel 98 yards back to our own goal-line seconds later . . .

[jaybs]

When I got to see social media last night, as ever the end of the world, thought what I saw was a dream! Antonio I agree a defensive mistake like he may never do again, I hope! and defence still at times weak.

[Humbug]

Look at 2:51 of the highlights below:

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Declan Rice points to Noble asking him to mark that space but he didn't and Zaha actually ran into that same space before shooting. So it was a comedy of errors to be honest because why did we have 3 players near their penalty area in the 96th minute? If there weren't 3 players there, Antonio wouldn't have been pressured to try and pass it and probably would have tried to score himself or waste time. So it wasn't Antonio who was totally at fault, it was the 3 players waiting in the penalty area giving him the incentive to pass.

[simon1982]

If you've played football and had a 2 nil lead at half time then 99/100 your manager would say weather the storm first 10/15 minutes and don't do anything stupid. Don't give the ref any chance to make a decision.
Ogbonna then gives away a pen. As for the 3 players moving up they probably thought Antonio was going to the corner. You go to the touchline so if it goes for a throw we have bodies to compete and not let them out. They trusted Antonio to do this and he messed up

[StackerJJ]

Look at 2:51 of the highlights below:

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Declan Rice points to Noble asking him to mark that space but he didn't and Zaha actually ran into that same space before shooting. So it was a comedy of errors to be honest because why did we have 3 players near their penalty area in the 96th minute? If there weren't 3 players there, Antonio wouldn't have been pressured to try and pass it and probably would have tried to score himself or waste time. So it wasn't Antonio who was totally at fault, it was the 3 players waiting in the penalty area giving him the incentive to pass.

It was totally Antonio's fault. Nobody else. Solely Antonio. If he stands still in the corner the ref blows his whistle. Nobody else is at fault here his lack of a brain cell cost us 2 points.

[Johnny Byrne's Boots]

Out of interest, did we have a meaningful shot on target in the second half?

[Josie112002]

What Noble did was to intercept a pass meant for another player.[/quote]

I only watched on a stream but two players were in position to deal with that particular pass. Noble came in to intercept, didn't and left a massive gap behind. Not the sensible option, he looked like he was trying too hard yesterday diving into tackles and over committing. Still love the guy but he is definitely not a guaranteed start anymore, this is where a solid CDM is vital. If only we got someone in the Summer...

[brownout]

Out of interest, did we have a meaningful shot on target in the second half?

We didn't seem to want to try to.

[Iron-worx]

Doc, we played very poorly in the first half and managed to conjure up one good move and one great piece of individual attacking play to give us a 2-0 lead that had the odd distinction of being entirely what Palace deserved for being useless, whilst being hugely flattering to us when we were next to useless.

The first half was atrocious, I don't think I've ever seen so much turnover in one half ever, it was as if neither side could cobble half a dozen passes together. Bottom of the table fare if ever I've seen it.

Their defending wasn't good for our first goal and the second although well taken came directly from their goof - I doubt that we get either of those goals against a better team.

Their goals came from two of our goofs rounds up the standard of it.

[irving boleyn]

Two defenders between the on form Zaha and the goal and they couldn't stop him from getting it on to his right foot is disappointing.

[Colours never run]

It's probably a timely reminder after Allardyce, many people were screaming out for entertaining football and prepared to sacrifice leak8ng goals at the back as long as we go for it up top scoring at will ourselves. Well that's mostly been happening since Bilic arrived.

Not saying it's perfect, its clearly not but games are often exciting for a manner of different reasons.

Personally I prefer football played between the two ideally but this is the kind of football that was asked for recently.

[Beavis Danzig]

aside from everything else, hernandez and ayew look like a potentially lethal pairing. if the rest of the team even perform half decently we've got a chance of a result.

[Samba]

Seems to be so much wrong at our lovely club. From the very top to the bottom.
Perhaps why posters can have such differing views; it isn't as simple as just one thing being wrong. Which is why it is difficult to put it right.

[Iron Mark]

It's probably a timely reminder after Allardyce, many people were screaming out for entertaining football and prepared to sacrifice leak8ng goals at the back as long as we go for it up top scoring at will ourselves. Well that's mostly been happening since Bilic arrived.

Not saying it's perfect, its clearly not but games are often exciting for a manner of different reasons.

Personally I prefer football played between the two ideally but this is the kind of football that was asked for recently.

Problem is we aren't playing entertaining football. Stats from yesterday had Palace 19/9 (shots/on target) to our 6/2. We have games where we take our chances, which is so important because we don't create much of them. On the other hand, when we are forced to defend, we still allow so many.

What was enjoyable about watching Palace attack all second half? Where was our attacking football to counter that? Other than our two goals, did we look like scoring at will or even coming close? Palace hit the post and forced Hart into some saves, what did we do? We don't defend well, and seems stupid considering we can score goals, but we don't attack too well either.

[GJH]

It's probably a timely reminder after Allardyce, many people were screaming out for entertaining football and prepared to sacrifice leak8ng goals at the back as long as we go for it up top scoring at will ourselves. Well that's mostly been happening since Bilic arrived.

Not saying it's perfect, its clearly not but games are often exciting for a manner of different reasons.

Personally I prefer football played between the two ideally but this is the kind of football that was asked for recently.

Bar an exciting 20 mins v Spurs, I haven't seen anything exciting this season.

[Jon]

Antonio must take the blame but the 3 others up with him tell me we're completely unprofessional and somewhat ignorant.

On another point, did Kouyate drop into right back when Zab went off?