Watford 2-0 West Ham Utd (19/11/17)

[SullySpecial]

If Carroll stays fit, WHU go down.

[Claret&Blue,Thru&]

If Carroll stays fit, WHU go down.

Phew! I was worried for a moment.

[upton o'good]

That was a really poor performance against a bang average team. Lazy defending, missing 3 nailed on chances and generally inept performance everywhere else. We are definitely going down. There is no way the ‘dream team’ of Moyes, Pearce, Irvine and McKinley will have a clue between them on how to keep us up and play decent football. If makes me retch to see those idiots sitting on the sidelines. What have we become?

Thanks gold and Sullivan ....now pack your bags and do one.

Thought Watford were decent. A better striker and they'd have had 4 minimum.

[SullySpecial]

Phew! I was worried for a moment.

:lol:

[simonirons]

Is Duxberry still at Watford? - bet he had a grand day out today.

[Believer]

Their set up is better han ours, no doubt. Point I was making the things they are well known for, which s sacking managers and manager having minimal impact on transfers, are things we woukd be opposed to

True but I bet the chairman doesn't buy the players. I'd hazard a guess they've got a bonafide DoF

We are rotten from top to bottom and I just don't see any change whilst this lot are still here. Next level indeed.

[Believer]

If Carroll stays fit, WHU go down.

Based on the chants aims at him 2nd half, I'm sure another hamstring strain isn't far away or a bad back or....

[upton o'good]

Even a dead cat bounces. We lost two nil.

We need to start getting the basics right, if that means ten men behind the ball and a nil nil draw then so be it. It won't be pretty but neither is losing every week.

Only if it is freshly dead. Once rigor mortis fades...

[New Jersey]

We are this year's Sunderland. Of course we shouldn't put all the blame on Moyes, but the fans didn't want him and from what I saw today, the players also didn't want him. Moyes was the cheap option, that's the Dave's fault.

When things are bad, the luck doesn't go your way. It's pretty amazing that one of those four clear cut chances didn't go in. We were so poor performance-wise, I'm scared to think what Man City will do to us.

Leicester will have too much pace for us, they will score on the counter-attack. Really don't know what the answer is, Lanzini is class, but he needs a couple of players to work with, Noble, Kouyate and Obiang aren't those players. Maybe Ayew, Hernandez and Antonio can provide a spark? Andy Carroll should never start again.

All very depressing, but we've been here before. This time relegation scares me as I can see us becoming one of the many teams that have disappeared further down the leagues. Bolton, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Coventry etc.

[Stepney]

Terrible first half, although a couple of good chances and if they go in then the entire complexion of the game changes. Two good moves down the right second half and again, bit more composure from Kouyate in front of goal and the outcome could've been quite different. A couple of new songs that I've never heard about the board and in good old West Ham fashion we all seemed to make a joke about it all but deep down a very sad day for the club. Not sure where we go from here? As long as we stay up then I guess we can rebuild next season. Although I seem to remember saying that last year?

[Bend it like Repka]

Whilst in full agree your point that not enoigh spent on midfield Obiang and Kouyate about £13m, no? And many posters think Noble is good enough

None of them are playmakers. That is the problem.

I don't know who is to blame for the transfer debacle but we should not have had one option in Carvalho. We spent 25m on Arnie who plays wide and has no pace when we had players like Antonio and Ayew who could fit that role.

Those 3 today were ponderous, and had no craft or killer pass. Ball retention was piss poor.

We will never win games with those 3 and Carroll up front. Too slow and too predictable.

[ChzMff]

Was watford's three much more expensive?

Watford are a team of random journeymen, foreign punts and assorted extras. What they have now, and have had to a certain extent up to this point, is good management to mould them together

Let's be honest, if we had bought Richalison it would have been a sully special and would have failed miserably

Yes, they paid £8 mill each for Doucoure and Hughes. They then brought on a £15 mill midfielder they signed from Juventus. We predictably talked a good game about buying Carvalho and ended up with nothing. Our chairmen lauded the Hernandez signing yet he was cheaper than the £18 mill centre forward Watford had up front. These are not "journeymen and foreign punts". It simply highlights the criminal under investment in key areas of our team.

[upton o'good]

To put our summer transfer dealing in context. The money we paid for Arnie, Watford got Richarlison, Hughes and had £5m left...

[Humbug]

I just think Moyes will look at several of the players and think they are just not committed enough. He might have to take a big risk and shift 4 or 5 out as they obviously don't want to play at West Ham. Saw some big gaps in the midfield again with players just allowing the game to pass them by. We are especially woeful without the ball , completely clueless about how to run into correct defensive positions, leaving massive gaps and spaces that you can run a proverbial bus through.

[Hello there!]

This time relegation scares me as I can see us becoming one of the many teams that have disappeared further down the leagues. Bolton, Portsmouth, Blackburn, Coventry etc.

Quite possibly for the best.

You cannot build on rotten foundations. Sometimes the only solution is to demolish and start again.

[Peaches]

Without trying to sound Xebophobic, I think we have just signed too many foreign mercenaries who looked good when things were going well but have completely half arsed it since things started to go south.
Also we have signed far too many English players who believe their own hype. We have also signed far too many on contracts that leave little motivation.

[Morocco Mole]

Let's be honest, if we had bought Richalison it would have been a sully special and would have failed miserably

That's so on point it's not even funny.

[Doc H Ball]

Xebophobic.

Gets too isolated on the right and dives a lot.

[Norwich Iron]

Well Carroll is still unplayable. Trouble is we keep blooy well playing him

[Humbug]

It won't matter how well Moyes (or any other top manager) is good with fitness, tactics, organisation. If you have a section of the squad half-heartedly playing for our club with eyes elsewhere, we will fail. He needs to get a list of 1st team replacements fast for Obiang,Ogbonna, Creswell , Fonte, Sakho and maybe even Kouyate and Noble. Reid and Zabaleta and Hart seem to be the only ones who actually do any defending while all the rest just ball watch, make pansy cowardly attempts to win the ball and can't be bothered (exception Noble if he gets the opportunity to get close enough but he's so damn slow ). There is no stable dependable spine in our team to fall back on when we start to struggle. These are really dark days for our club but we have a chance if we can form a squad with several players with strong competitive attitude plus a few with a sprinkling of flair.