Stoke City 0-3 West Ham Utd (16/12/17)

[Upton Carp]

Just watched the whole game. What a performance by the whole team. How many times did the commentator say, 'and cleared by Collins'...? MOTM for me was Ginge.

[DasNutNock]

Was sent off vs Us at the Walker's for simulation wasn't he?

That's not how Vardy saw it

[DasNutNock]

Just watched the whole game. What a performance by the whole team. How many times did the commentator say, 'and cleared by Collins'...? MOTM for me was Ginge.

Incredible to have so long out of the side, get called back to cover Reid, then restrict the home side to not get a single shot on target.

[fmgod]

To be fair I totally forget Collins even played, he was that good, just slotted straight in and did the job, bizzare isn't the word

[Korea Hammer]

Collins has been our best defender for some time now. It's a shame he's coming to the end of his career just as he's playing so well.

[Up the Junction]

The opposition view: Stoke City
http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=131972

[brothernero]

Loved one of the stoke city fans on the phone-in yesterday..... Went something like.....

"we were the better team today and unlucky, West Ham got two late goals but could have had 6 or 7 during the game, apart from when we hit the post we really never looked like scoring"


How was you the better team then mate? :lol:


Plus the female stoke fan having a row with Robbie saying she told everyone that under Hughes he would do no good and take them down, they need to get Pulis back and give him a 6 year contract, he will always get them to 14th or so and they wont go down. Which as she put it for a club with Stokes Budget is about right.

Robbie pointing out that under Pulis they never got relegated but also never finished in the top half, but under Hughes they so far have also not been relegated but have had 3 consecutive 9th place finishes. Which going on her logic about Stokes size and Budget is surely even more impressive.

She would not listen though, said she had written to the chairman and pointed out where he had gone wrong.


Stoke fans, always making you smile.

[Patito]

Thanks, boss. One of the best OV’s I’ve ever read.

[Pob!]

Their forum is funnier than that Hob nob one... Talk about proper meltdown :lol:

[Up the Junction]

One of the best OV’s I’ve ever read.

[OFT]

The opposition view: Stoke City
http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=131972

Without a hint of irony or nod to years of Pulis-inspired dirty tricks inside the penalty box,.

Ain't that the truth!

That's the most entertaining OV for quite some time

[brothernero]

"We should have given a few more 'shove your f*cking dildos up your arse' though. And I'm against wanton profanity as a rule. Justified yesterday. C*nt."


:lol:

[GreenIron]

not sure whether the crossed irons from our Austrian maverick were for the Stoke or West Ham fans.

Bit of both I think. In the first half when everybody was milling about getting ready for a corner, he gave the crossed irons to us behind the goal, pointed at the Stoke fans and said something. Unfortunately I have no idea what he said.

[Crossd_Hammrs]

Funny that when Leicester were winning the league none of Vardy's "clever" winning of penalties were scrutinised in the same way.

Was sent off vs Us at the Walker's for simulation wasn't he?

Yes, it was overdue and too late to change their fortunes, but there was public outrage around the world that he was (rightly) sent off.

His tactic was to stick his leg out and make sure the chasing defender clipped him. In the match in question he stuck his leg through the defenders' ensuring a tangle that took them both down.
A Man City player uses a similar technique of sticking his leg in the defender's way as he runs past him.
That's nothing like what Lanzini did.

Diving is where an attacker goes down when there's no foul or challenge to cause him to do so. Vardy and the above tactic are diving - they don't go down because of the defender's actions, they go down because they force contact with a defender and thus appeal for a penalty.

Consider Loftus-Cheek in the last minute at UP a couple of seasons ago. He ran across the corner of the box, the ball had gone out to the right back and threw himself over at the hip-to-hip contact with an upright defender (Antonio or Carroll, I think). If it wasn't an outright dive, it was certainly a soft penalty - he'd lost possession, was heading out of the box, the the challenge was barely there. Yet the defender was villified for an unnecessary challenge. While Loftus-Cheek was jumping up and down celebrating winning a penalty.

On MOTD they first claimed Lanzini was on his way down before the contact (So what? There's still contact caused by the defender), then two sentences later they say he's just run into the defender (a defender that's thrown himself into a tackle with studs up at shin height, that is). Well which is it: is he already going down or is he still running?
There's no reasonable way Lanzini could have avoided contact with the defender. The opposite of Vardy and Silva (?) he's pulled his leg back from the challenge. The defender has tried to pull out but ultimately he's failed and he's taken Lanzini out.

If Lanzini had pulled his legs away and gone down without the contact then there might be reason to debate whether it was a penalty or not - Lanzini could argue that it was a reckless challenge.
But we don't even know that Lanzini would have gone down had there been no contact - he might have ridden the challenge - alternatively he might have stuck his leg out to force the contact a la Vardy - we'll never really know, and it's irrelevant because the defender threw himself in and brought Lanzini down.
I really don't understand how it's debatable.

[brothernero]

All clubs have players that dive, every club time wastes when winning, every club will get dodgy penalty awards, every club has players that try to wind up the other teams players, every club has certain players that try dirty little tactics to win free-kicks and get someone booked.


But Stoke city under both Tony Pulis and Mark Hughes have been without doubt the worse culprits of those sort of tactics.

Listening and reading them moan, bitch and cry when it happens against them just makes it so much funnier and oh so very sweet.

[Boo Boo]

Mark Hughes 14 Dec: 'There are no bad feelings on my part. He did great here, he’s a good guy'

Mark Hughes 16 Dec: 'F***ing ungrateful greedy f***er'

[dave_l]

That was a really enjoyable result full stop. Just a relief to see us defend with authority and look like we’ve actually got a structure! Always good to get a result up at Stoke too and see Arnie ram the taunts back down the Stoke fan’s throats. More of the same please!

[Boo Boo]

The opposition view: Stoke City
http://www.kumb.com/story.php?id=131972

When you lose, don't lose the lesson.
A snake is far more likely to bite when it's being provoked.

[OFT]

Mark Hughes 16 Dec: 'F***ing ungrateful greedy f***er'

A mate of mine who's on supervised weekend leave from a secure unit and claims to be a lip reading expert seems to think Hughes was saying to Arnie:- 'well played Marko it's lovely to see you again, congratulations on making a success of your sideways move to West Ham'

[Boo Boo]

A mate of mine who's on supervised weekend leave from a secure unit and claims to be a lip reading expert seems to think Hughes was saying to Arnie:- 'well played Marko it's lovely to see you again, congratulations on making a success of your sideways move to West Ham'

Your mates version sounds far more plausible. 'Shampoo & Set' never struck me as the petulant, knee jerking, blame swerving tool that he's portrayed to be.