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I would join in, but I finish work in 5 minutes, have a beer run to do, and some football to watch on the telly...
I make you generally correct though
Sure, we can argue about this or that, how much money he spent, the value he got for that money, how much was his work and how much was in place when he arrived, blah de blah.........
But I make you generally correct. Much as I don't like the bloke, credit where it's due. Based on results, league positions, the football they played, he did a very good job
The spurs fans I know are in pretty much unanimous agreement he did an excellent job there, was the best manager they've had for quite some time, and acheived a great deal in his time there
Well not EVERYTHING is it because Adebayor won't be going back. You secret spud you.
They didn't have him this time last year....
He's a triffic bloke...Obv he's with Sandra now and I don't want to talk about him when he's with someone else...but yeah triffic bloke anyone would be happy to have him on yer arm.
My point is that all of the reasons you gave for the new boss not being able to succeed were no different to the situation Redknapp was in this time last year
No Adebayor.... check
AT LEAST one of Modric and Bale want out... check
Looking thin in central defence... check
In fact, they're probably better off now as Walker has come through....
So are you saying Spuds will do better without Redknapp ..what IS YER ****ing POINT!!!!
Nope. Just saying that he hasn't left them any worse off than they were this time last year
Right, thats my working day over. Did absolutely f*ck all other than sit on here and argue with you *****
f*ck the lot of ya
When Harry took over the filth they were rooted to the bottom of the Prem. He transformed them into a top six club and even got them champs league. Yes he spent a lot but show me an other team that were top six and has played champs league that spent nothing. The chairman of a club is responsible for allowing his manager to spend too much, a manager ( especially 'arry ) will keep spunking the club's war chest until the chairman shouts stop, that ain't Redknob's fault. He took over a team at the bottom and got them up to higher than they have been for many years. A lot of mention has gone on about how every club he left went into meltdown but surely that is more to do with the owner's allowing him to spunk their dosh IMO.
well, not really...
about owners allowing allowing to spend, that's exactly why got axed, his "strategy" was unsustainable by the board.
ageing hammer, havnt you ever noticed ,its never Redcrapps fault for anything,its always
Like the tax evasion case he has always got an answer,most of them lies but it dont bother him
lying,he has made a career out of it.
Takes credit for things he hasnt done and passes the buck for things he has done.
Jol got Spurs to within a Lasagne of 4th place and then lost Carrick to Man Utd (inadequately replacing him with Zokora). We got Berbatov in and the following season we finished 5th after a good end to the season (although it was a 5th place finish that was a long way from the top four in terms of points). We then started the next season very badly with King injured and Dawson and Kaboul as a pairing who didn't suit each other at all, with both of them wanting to attack the ball and leaving gaps in behind all over the place. Irrespective of our bad start under Jol I thought he deserved more time to turn it around but he wasn't given it....
Ramos came in and won us the Carling Cup but lost Berbatov and Keane at the start of the next season and neither were adequately replaced. Harry came in at that point with Bale nowhere to be seen, Modric, Pavyluchenko and Ekotto looking unsuited to English football and Gomes the biggest clown of a keeper anyone had ever seen with us bottom of the table having had our worst start since the Titanic sunk. Granted we weren't going to get relegated, but I don't think we were going to be too far ahead of the teams that were.... We really were that bad!
You shouldn't belittle the job Redknapp did, as I saw with my own eyes the difference between what was immediately before him and how he turned that round without spending the earth
VDV, Sandro, Friedel, Parker, Kaboul, Kranjcar, Walker, Palacios, Crouch, Defoe, Gallas, Adebayor (admittedly a loan).... All served a good purpose and improved the team when they came in. Along with that Redknapp got Modric, Bale and Ekotto playing (also Huddlestone in his first seasons there before injury this season). He even managed to get Pavyluchenko to put a bit of effort in and look like top goalscorer for a while (and that is no mean feat!)
I also find this nonsence about Levy signing players rather strange. It is also the same on some of the Spurs boards. When a player is signed and is a success it was a 'Levy signing' i.e. Walker or Sandro or VDV. But when a player was signed and didn't perform so well (i.e. Bassong or Pienaar) it was a 'Harry signing'. The truth is that Harry identified the targets and Levy went out to get them (if he could). Redknapp asked Levy to get him VDV earlier in that transfer window, we registered our interest but Real Madrid were negotiating a large fee for him with Bayern Munich that we couldn't afford with his wage package. That then fell through late in the window and Real Madrid offered him to us again at a much lower price. Levy phoned Harry and asked if he still wanted him and Harry (or course) said yes.
5th actually.... and then didn't add those players until a little way into the season resulting in us having a rather bad start with us getting spanked in our first two games.
That's not at all true. We did sometimes play the diagonal ball to Crouch and look to get VDV on the knock down but it was also interspersed with some fantastic play. Did you see our home game against Inter Milan for example?
I think Redknapp signed or loaned in 21 players in his 4 years at Spurs. Those players cost a little shy of £100 million in total. Of those 21 players some have been sold and we have recouped around £34 million in transfer fees. The players that remain are (Defoe, Kaboul, Bassong, Gallas, Sandro, Walker, Naughton, Van Der Vaart, Pienaar, Parker and Friedel). I would say that the players remaining at the club who Redknapp signed would have a combined transfer fee value well in excess of the current £66 million transfer deficit on his signings.
No he didn't. He took over a team that finished (I think it was 9th) the previous season and was then bottom of the league with 2 points after 8 games the following season having sold it's two best players at the time (Keane and Berbatov). He then steered them to 8th place in the league (4th best points total from the point that Redknapp took over) and then 4th place in his first full season.
He isn't perfect and he made mistakes just as anyone does but I saw first hand that he did a bloody good job overall at Spurs and I feel privileged having got to watch his team in full flow last season.
It is the difference between what he promises and what he actually delivers. He had a budget to get champions League football and failed. Therefore a clever chairman like Levy sacks him and sets out to rebalance the books. A daft one like Brown spends more good money chasing bad promises.
I think chairman in the early years trusted him too much and allowed him too much room. Tightly controlled he is a good manager. Give him a free run and he'll burden your club with an aging squad of overpaid wasters.
My fear is that Sam has the same DNA. Hopefully the Daves are not giving him too much room.
He finished in the top four 2 out of 3 seasons with a club who has a wage restriction of 70k a week. I'll be amazed if anyone manages that again
No lover of Redknapp here but Luke's response and eloquence is unbeatable... Thoroughly valuable foruming and the reason hat having experts from another team on KUMB makes us what we are....
Let's wait and see.
Given Luke's excellent post, I'll duck out at this point as I cannot take the debate much further after that.
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