Will Q.P.R go the way of Pompey?

[sendô]

Great first match Greeno. Still, it was never about the football was it?

I wouldn't wish liquidation on QPR but the sooner someone big goes and teams wake up and realise all this over spending is unsustainable the better for football as a whole.

[Robbie]

I have no beef with QPR and would not take any satisfaction if they were to collapse.

I agree Dan. No drama with QPR. Very sad what's happening to Pompey too.
I won't revel in any clubs misfortune if their demise is on the cards.

[ironilunga]

Reminds me of the way we bought players under eggy. I think there are smarter ways in which to build a football club. Much prefer the way that Swansea are doing things and now us for that matter.

For me its all about intelligence of both the owners and the managers. Its all too easy to just go and buy a Man Utd cast off as opposed to carefully selecting a player that fits a system perhaps from a lower league or from abroad. I honestly think there are some managers that do not have the nouse to do this and more fool the owners for employing them.

[DoubleDave]

It's early days , jeez we're only 1 game into the season, I think it's far too early to write QPR off yet.
Yes I know that Tony Fernandes comes across a bit like Eggy, and to be honest I am glad that the Dave's won the bid for our club and not him, and I have never rated Mark Hughes as a manager, but I would never wish ill on QPR fans because most that I know and I know quite a lot, are honest, decent fans plus they hate Chelsea as well.

[mushy]

The one thing they need to do is sort out their defence, they were an Anton ferdinand inspired shambles yesterday.With Green looking out of sorts as well.
Once that is done they will be fine.
They have made some pretty good signings in my opinion.

[prophet:marginal]

Give Pompey some credit - they've looked more resilient that QPR did yesterday, needing two points deductions and the death-grip of Avram Can't to relegate them from the top 2 flights.

I can too see the analogy at least that they clearly have a business model that, in a ground as small as theirs, will struggle to sustain itself (they get about 20,000 on a good day and have a large, expensive squad)...

Hughes did however keep them up and, on their day, when that team clicks, and the midfield takes the pressure off a creaky defence, they can score goals.

If Onouha, Anton and Green mispeform like yesterday - who out of interest is their back up keeper? - they will also concede loads.

One little corner of West London does not need 3 Prem League clubs. If QPR's finances were on Charlton's scale, they wouldn't be in the Prem anyway. If they went back to whence they came: no great loss for me, but, as others say, it would be a bit over to wish on them their liquidation.

[Westy]

Brian Murphy is QPR's back-up goalkeeper.

[mushy]

Brian Murphy is QPR's back-up goalkeeper.

[westlondonhammer]

QPR will be Harry's next club

They won't go the Pompey way, but there will be a merry-go-round of managers and a lot of wasted money and they will never have the appeal nor investment to get any real success (Man City style)

[forestgatehammer]

Fans are already on Greeno's back over there after yesterday's performance

I don't blame Green for any of the goals other than the first but I do hold him responsible for the result as his early mistake followed by numerous failed flaps at the ball in the first half led to his lack of confidence spreading throughout the defence, midfield and attack as the game went on.

As I said earlier in another thread I really hate making scapegoats and in most cases it is a poor excuse but for today I can only comment on what I witnessed with my own eyes and that was that Green cost us not only for his own questionable skills but for his lack of confidence to. I would have subbed him at half time, we can't massage ego's of a fragile nature no matter how much we are paying them

Don't rate Green and never have; that said it was all his fault today. Ferdinand and Nedum don't do much for me either - and Hill is simply not up to this level. Why we have a Man U loanee I don't know(I can't ever remember a decent player we have signed from that shower-of-*****). Park realised today what it's ilke to go from playing in the biggest ground and club in the Prem... to the smallest. I question the motives of a lot of the players we are aquiring TBH.

taken from http://www.qprdot.org/viewforum.php?f=1 ... 8000d9fba6

I like the last line of the last comment. I question the motives of a lot of the players we are acquiring. So did we, so did we! Although to be fair we didnt lose our opening game 5 - 0 !!

[Jabsco79]

Could not see QPR becoming the next Portsmouth. Echo what others have said, namely that QPR could possible reflect us under the Icelandic's, the big difference our supposed financial fortune was under threat from global economic collapse plus a egotistical chairman who acted like someone when they've just received their first Gold Amex card.

QPR's next game is away to fellow 0-5 losers Norwich. Defeat there and a couple more in quick succession, and the reaction of Fernandes will be interesting. I read an article about him a while back and his love for West Ham blah blah blah and how much enjoyed the days when Redknapp was manager.......

The jokes didn't take long, I got a text in the middle of the night: "a QPR fan just asked me if I had the time. Sure, I said, it's five past Green"

[bubbles1966]

A back 5 of Green, Anton, Onuoha, Clint Hill and Fabio is always going to be good for a goal or two to the opposition.

Borderline PL players and reserves for most of their careers - Anton seems to be a common denominator in relegation struggles - here, Sunderland, QPR....

[casshammer]

Even if they do survive relegation this season, what is the best they're hoping for? They only survived last season because Bolton were so dire! If they had beaten Stoke, then Barton's red card could have cost them their Premiership place.

They aren't going to win trophies, they aren't going to challenge for Europe. A lot of money to just tread water.

[worboyes]

They haven't bought that bad.......
Hoillet, Park, Fabio, Green and Bosingwa.
are hardly the same as.......
Dyer, Lundberg, LBM and all the other **** we had.
Player for player they are a lot stronger then us and you always get odd results on the first day.
I'm sure they will gel........ i'd love to finish above them this season.

[casshammer]

They haven't bought that bad.......
Hoillet, Park, Fabio, Green and Bosingwa.
are hardly the same as.......
Dyer, Lundberg, LBM and all the other **** we had.
Player for player they are a lot stronger then us and you always get odd results on the first day.
I'm sure they will gel........ i'd love to finish above them this season.

They HAVE got Dyer!!!

[bubbles1966]

Player for player they are a lot stronger then us a

I'm not sure that any of their back 5 from yesterday would get a start for us.

Diakete and Derry better than Diame and Diarra? Is Taarabt better than Noble or Nolan?

They've signed a lot of ageing wide players and forwards. The kind whose mentality may be "fat money and we'll get another gig elsewhere if we get relegated."

They look like a team with a jelly spine.

[Paddy O'Hammer]

Once again - thank you Daves!

[Het-Field]

No.

Unless Tony Fernandez drops the Club like a hot snot.

QPR just appear to be a less attractive edition of Man City. They dont operate form a World Class Stadium, they spent 15 years in the Second and Third tier of English football, they have had no European exposure since the incarnation of the Premiership in 1992, and they have contributed little or nothing to the English team since 1995-1996. As things stand they need to attract high-profile international journeymen like Djbril Cisse and Jose Bosingwa. They offer a haven for former lights like Andy Johnson, Sean Wright Phillips Luke Young (and to lesser extent Rob Green), who still have something to offer, but never fulfilled their potential. They take punts on players like Kieron Dyer and Joey Barton even though there is questions over their physical fitness, and emotional state respectively.

The system they are employing is wrong, and Mark Hughes should view this as a challange to get his best team together. There is no team spirit, and this team has just been lumped together literally overnight.

[Turns to Stone]

The difficulty they will face is how, if and when they need to get shot of some of these players. They now have Cisse, Andy Johnson and Bobby Zamora who it would appear will now be fighting for 1 forward slot. I would imagine all will be earning £50k plus a week. They've also now got SWP you would imagine on a decent wedge who now is struggling to get into the side (plus a certain Kieron Dyer).

No other club in the league would want to sign any of these players on their current wages, which is exactly the same problem that we had with the likes of Piquionne, McCarthy, Dyer, Boa Morte. All of the players I've just mentioned also had pretty good Premier League records much like the ones mentioned above.

Compare that now with the likes of players we have signed this year - Diame, Maiga, Collins - all players of good age, probably on wages that may possibly be matched by other Premier League sides.

QPR will have no problem as long as there is someone there to cover the wages of the players not in the team, but if they were to find hardship or perish the thought get relegated you're only really going to be abel to fins a buyer for someone like Hoillett - SWP, Dyer, Zamora, Johnson, Cisse - no-one is going to want any of those at £50k a year plus. That's when things get very difficult.

[mushy]

Great first match Greeno. Still, it was never about the football was it?

I wouldn't wish liquidation on QPR but the sooner someone big goes and teams wake up and realise all this over spending is unsustainable the better for football as a whole.

You mean some big club like Rangers?