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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby chappo59 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:38 pm

Pay him off he's become a circus sideshow.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby somerset-hammer on Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:43 pm

Why have the most recent managers of our football club always been so desperate to get the cart horse back in the team?

Seriously, he has 1 good game in what, every 10? In which time he usually picks up an injury.


I. Just. Don't. Get. It.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Cuenca 'ammer on Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:49 pm

Pressure from the powers that be that you CAN'T leave someone on the bench who is pulling in the region of 80-100K large per ??????

We think the team is unbalanced now, our memories are short in that BFS built the team around him and paid 10M to get in Jarvis to sling crosses into Wor Andy's head...at a time when Nolan's legs were so far gone he couldn't even keep up with, let alone get ahead of, the Big Geordie....

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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby since86 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:52 pm

Get rid. Hate the way we play when he’s in the team.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Claret&Blue,Thru& on Thu Apr 12, 2018 8:54 pm

somerset-hammer wrote:Why have the most recent managers of our football club always been so desperate to get the cart horse back in the team?

Seriously, he has 1 good game in what, every 10? In which time he usually picks up an injury.


I. Just. Don't. Get. It.


Doesn't 'pay him off' mean that we lose at least the equivalent of a year of his wages from the apparently stressed players wage budget and so, given that no one in their right mind would buy him, we have to keep him for another year & hope that, at the very least, we get another 'West Brom' out of him?
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Cuenca 'ammer on Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:00 pm

@ C & B

not sure mate..

one "might" be able to offer say a lump sum 6 months cash payment, PLUS no doubt his "loyalty" bonus for him to go, and he could then negotiate another deal being a "free" agent and able to negotiate another signing on bonus AND say 50K per....so he "could" come out ahead in the financial stakes.

win/win............for him and we get to offload 80-100K for 6 months might get someone in for 50K per for 12 months to a new player...

Just a thought..........
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby The Old Man of Storr on Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:18 pm

I'd just like to say ' I like and appreciate you , Andy ' . :clap:
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Alfiehammer on Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:28 pm

Cuenca 'ammer wrote:Pressure from the powers that be that you CAN'T leave someone on the bench who is pulling in the region of 80-100K large per ??????

:twisted:


Isn't chicharito often on the bench and earning 130 large?
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Diogenes on Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:57 pm

The Old Man of Storr wrote:I'd just like to say ' I like and appreciate you , Andy ' . :clap:


Not sure if you were being 'tongue in cheek' but I would agree with that.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby ageing hammer on Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:14 pm

The only thing Shandy Carroll has never broken is sweat.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Cuenca 'ammer on Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:20 pm

Cuenca 'ammer wrote:Pressure from the powers that be that you CAN'T leave someone on the bench who is pulling in the region of 80-100K large per ??????




Alfiehammer wrote:
Isn't chicharito often on the bench and earning 130 large?


true but I think that Moyes sees that he "could" use The Big Georgie but doesn't want to play Chicharito unless he really really really has to........

imvho that is.....

although to be fair we never really have had a whole fit squad players to really know what Moyes preferred starting line up is from week to week have we ?

I "suspect" though he prefers AC to JH.....

I hate the way we play when he's in the team though...through BFS, Slav and Moyes.......except on the odd occasion...but then again my memory is awful so it might not have been that bad...(I think it was though)

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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby e17 on Thu Apr 12, 2018 11:38 pm

I’d say the football we play when he’s been fit has generally been worse, even if the results haven’t been.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby The Old Man of Storr on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:34 am

Diogenes wrote:
Not sure if you were being 'tongue in cheek' but I would agree with that.


No , not tongue in cheek at all , if you look through the rest of this thread you'll see me defending him throughout - It's not his fault he was given a 6 year contract and I'd like to think it's not his fault that he gets injured so often - He gives us something that none of our other strikers give , play him frm the start or as impact sub and he'll give us a different option .
I genuinely like him as a striker .
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby somerset-hammer on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:43 am

The Old Man of Storr wrote:
He gives us something that none of our other strikers give .


What's that, year round weather updates from Dubai?
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby CubanHammer on Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:47 am

We want you to stay, we want you to stay, Andy Carroll we want you to stay.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby yakandyeti on Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:00 am

I suspect we'd see more of him next year, he'd look after himself better and play through niggles as he needs to put himself in the shop window for the season after. That will probably result in us giving him an extension and him getting injured straight after signing it.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Clacton-ammer on Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:28 am

e17 wrote:I’d say the football we play when he’s been fit has generally been worse, even if the results haven’t been.


If I have missed it, apologies, but has anyone done a stat on wins/losses with AC in/out the team?

I think exactly the same E17, football worse, but probably more points. As a WH manager for the best part of your tenure nearer the bottom than top, you would play him if the stats back it up.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby somerset-hammer on Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:33 am

Having Carroll in the team, encourages a form of laziness in the team, whereby instead of looking for a pass, they will just launch the ball to Carroll, it's not his fault that this happens, but on the whole it makes us more predictable to play against.

I know we are crap and generally play **** football, no matter who is playing, but at least without Carroll, the players think a little more about where the ball is going.
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:34 am

Clacton-ammer wrote:

If I have missed it, apologies, but has anyone done a stat on wins/losses with AC in/out the team?

I think exactly the same E17, football worse, but probably more points. As a WH manager for the best part of your tenure nearer the bottom than top, you would play him if the stats back it up.


I did a comprehensive one about two seasons ago and posted it on here

What it showed was that we accrued slightly more points in home games against the lesser sides with him (skewed by some teams he always seemed to do better against), but less away from home, and less against the top sides overall - basically he is a bit of a flat track bully

We also have to remember that when Carroll wasn't in the team during the period of this analysis we had a whole host of 'strikers' playing for us (some who were very poor), so he really should have demonstrated superiority given what he was up against

I think in the last two seasons the analysis may skew ever so slightly in his favour, but again, last season the alternatives were Zaza and Calleri - so you would hope he would do better!
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Re: Andy Carroll

Postby Clacton-ammer on Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:42 am

Cheers Crouchy

So to tie this up for his time here, we are proper ***** with him in or our the team :lol:
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