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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Postby thejackhammer on Fri May 17, 2019 11:04 am

We could upgrade Noble, we could upgrade anyone and improve the team.

I just don't think it's priority number one.

I'd be bringing in a 3rd centreback before that, our fall of form when Balbuena was injured cost us a higher finish.

We also need a couple of strikers, one as an absolute priority, another if we sell as expected.

In terms of our most effective midfield three, Noble, Rice, Snodgrass, I'd be improving Snodgrass first, if that improvement is good enough that he can also cover Noble's defensive contribution then we can play him with Rice and Lanzini.

If he's not, I can't see us having the budget to improve on Noble just yet. Though that time will come.
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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Postby sendô on Fri May 17, 2019 11:21 am

I've just read that Noble - with 42 - is our second highest league goal scorer in the PL era (behind Parlo on 49).

That's as depressing a stat as I've read in a long time.
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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Postby sutts07 on Fri May 17, 2019 12:35 pm

Ding wrote:The persistence that Pellers has shown in wanting to play two in midfield this season means there is a high chance he will do the same next season.


We pretty much played with a variation of 451 all season (4141, 4231, 4321... etc).

I think you are making up a 'persistence' to play 442 to be honest. We used that formation in just 9 Prem games out of the 38. Hardly persistent.

And even breaking down those nine games you have a real mixture of success. Wilshere and Noble played together when Bournemouth overran us early in the season.
Noble and Rice were at the heart of it as we went on a run that saw us win at Newcastle then at home to Cardiff and Palace before beating Fulham... We then tried the same tactics at home to a half decent Watford side and came up well short so we swiftly reverted to 451 and won at Southampton.

We also tried to play with a 442 away at Burnley which was a disaster of a performance all round, away at Wolves (same again) and at home to Everton (same again - although that was with Rice and Obiang in there).

The only conclusion you can really bring from all of that is that 442 only works against the really weak sides in the league, and whenever it has worked for us, it has been Rice and Noble in the middle.

The point I (along with various others) am trying to make is that we just cannot play with two in the middle against anyone of any quality. Hardly any other teams at this level play that way and make it work.

We would need far more than just one decent 'shiny new CM' to make 442 work for us. We'd need to be a lot more solid at the back, we'd need forwards who pressed from the front and we'd need wingers who knew how to tuck in to make a compact four in the centre when we lose the ball. Even then there would be some games that you just wouldn't be able to get away with it in.

It isn't simply a case of upgrade Noble = progress as a club. Which is the point you to to be making.
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Re: Mark Noble - West Ham Legend

Postby Colours never run on Fri May 17, 2019 12:53 pm

thejackhammer wrote:We could upgrade Noble, we could upgrade anyone and improve the team.

I just don't think it's priority number one.

I'd be bringing in a 3rd centreback before that, our fall of form when Balbuena was injured cost us a higher finish.

In terms of our most effective midfield three, Noble, Rice, Snodgrass, I'd be improving Snodgrass first, if that improvement is good enough that he can also cover Noble's defensive contribution then we can play him with Rice and Lanzini.


Exactly how I feel 100%.

.............Rice
Noble.............Lanzini

..is my preferred midfield three to do serious damage if they all have a solid pre season. That for me has the balanced mixture of plenty of pace, experience, guile, skill and energy to cover one another. With more fortune in the injury dept the likes of Wilshere, Nasri should play a more prominent role. Just needs decent cover for Rice (definitely not Sanchez).

Supplement that with the likes of Antonio/Anderson either side and a quality Striker up top, could still be Arnautovic if he behaves himself. Replace other Strikers leaving with another quality one.

For me it's finding top class full backs to really push us on and a Centre Half to make a real difference to our squad. The Squad is shaping up well heading in right direction for next season and Noble is likely to still be at the heart of it.
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