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Not sure why we keep bringing up league position. With the top 7 clubs being that much ahead of everyone else now(we were close to Everton, but that's gone now).
As long as we don't get relegated(even if we do, the Championship seems a lot more interesting than the PL anyway), the league position really doesn't matter to me at least. 8th-17th is all the same to me. No point debating whether the extra few million prize money would help us that much when we have our current board, because the answer is definitely not.
If we finish in any of those positions and go on a cup run whilst playing some half decent football with each and every player showing some passion and fight, I am a happy fan. Just give me something exciting to watch at a venue that is made for that sport and I'm cooshty.
Just remember football is meant to entertain us. Anything else is a bonus.
football is meant to entertain us. It is a sport and if a fan you should have the full emotions when supporting your team. joy,sadness,pain and expectations.
The leicester match was certainly entertaining and featured the full range of emotions for me.
We are not a top 8 team and will need a few additions in the summer to be so.
Slav is the best we can have and I remain fully supportive. All managers make mistakes look at pep and moaniho !
Slav has had a lot to deal with on top of the normal ebb and flow of the premier league. The stadium move, unrest amongst fans, payet and now injuries to 3 of his best players in one go.
The only thing I question is the training and whether we are fit enough. Maybe we are now as we certainly didnt run out of steam against leicester ! However for many months of this season we were unfit.
I question dicks role and our fitness coaches.
Slav is a good manager who has shown in under 2 seasons that he can get us competing against all teams. At the moment we are in a dip of form which we need to comeout of very soon.
The doom merchants seem to have short memories apart from the early 80`s and the odd top 10 finish we have always been a lower mid table team who regularly got relegated. That has stopped recently and I believe is set to continue.
Keep the faith support the team and the manager. Onto Hull and a much needed victory, I HOPE !
Let me spell it out for you then .
You're bitter about us having a change in Management and consequently you've been trolling on this website since, and you do of course know this perfectly well .
Yes, I do, but I suspect for entirely different reasons to what I believe you are likely to cite , but you go first .
Tell me why you believe we had issues in Glenns second season - and by the way I'll tell you for nothing that his coaching skills would **** all over Bilic's or indeed almost any Manager we've had in the past 30 years .
The fact he played for us bears no relation to my support for him, nor does it add to his credibility in my eyes .It's a non issue .
FWIW, I think Biliic is struggling this season for all sorts of reasons, none of which you seem capable of articulating , lost as you are in your bitter , perverse and personal campaign against him .
The difference between us is I'm happy to support him and see him get supported believing we win as a team and lose as a team, and I mean team in the broadest sense , players, Manager, coaches, Chairman and tea lady .Supporters likewise .
He has the ability to get a top performance out of his players game after game. It is the reason why he and the likes of Allardyce and Warnock will always be in demand particularly at clubs who are having problems. It seems to me that top managers need to be feared or respected by their players (preferably both) to have longevity. Once they are unable to command respect they are goners (McClaren)
I think certain players would be happy to use inner turmoil at a club as an excuse not to perform which is why when there is upheaval (as at WHU this season) such players need to be called out by the manager. If the manager himself uses said inner turmoil as an excuse for performance then the club are in real trouble.
I dont think Slaven would make excuses for lack of performance. However, I honestly do not know what the players think of him and whether he still commands respect. I suspect though that this will define his length of stay with us.
For me, yes. If we carry on shipping goals and losing in the apathetic manner we have, I'll start to have my doubts. But even the last two weeks have entertained me - infuriated in almost equal measure - but I wouldn't swap it for Sam or his ilk.
Give Slav at least another year (I'd say 2 minimum personally).
This is basically it in a nutshell.
A glance at the league, things seem ok, but in reality we are unfit, sloppy and poorly motivated.
The players aren't buying what Bilic has to sell anymore, they just look bored and lazy.
Only time we looked good Saturday was when the changes were forced
Nice bloke but mistakes every game in team selection and tactics ,at half time i genuinely thought we would lose every game rest of season,Arthur and Fernandes coming on gave a bit of hope
Got to go
'we're a rubbish terrible team!'
'What about the league table?'
'Okay so maybe the league table is okay but we're awful i'm telling you, Bilic doesnt know what he's doing'
'But we played really well against Leicester'
'Okay, but those substitutions were forced on Bilic.'
The issue here is some people on this site refuse to look at evidence and just power on with their initial opinion.
Bilic is terrible no matter how we play or what the score is. It's just like how Allardyce was awful no matter what happened or what the table said.
Are we really so demanding that in an injury ravished season in a new stadium where we deserved at least a point against the reigning champions we're inventing this scenario that we're unfit cloggers that only looked decent because Leicester let us?
If Leicester hadn't got that flukey early goal, if Scmiechel hadn't had a MOTM performance then the Slav haters would be quiet and the Slav supporters would be louder. This is the world of football fans in the internet age.
Not true. As I explained a few pages back. This has nothing to do with previous regime or Bilic. This is the fear, as I said, getting burnt for the 3rd time in 12 years.(Roeder & Grant). Say we had a Benitez, Klopp (for argument sake) would I be so concerned? No. As their CV stands out to under scrutiny & show they have won/been successful at the club/s they have managed. What on Bilics CV can we drawn on when 'sections' of our support are getting worried?
Better than Redknapp, Pardew & Allardyce? Ok, I have to ask you this. If he's such a wonderful coach why did he relegate 3 clubs, including West Ham? Then went to Norwich City & did nothing either. (Left them with no wins in last 18 matches) As poster Crouchend_Hammer said there was a massive campaign against Roeder(some of it absolutely disgraceful imo). Why didn't we give him more time? My opinion fans weren't confident in his abilities, his CV was awful. On the point of being a 'Good coach', I'd disagree with you. I think he was terrible. Firmly in the Top 3 worst Managers we have ever had (imo).
I agree he's had factors against him. Injuries, Star player AWOL, Stadium etc...No arguments there. It don't help. Not yourself but some mention the 'position' In the table as an important factor. To me it don't matter if we finish 6th or 17th(I have to say, I wouldn't want WH to go down). But it's important, not you again but others to take off the 'C&B' specs & take a 'neutral' look at our team. Is the team progressing, developing & bonding as a unit? Are our players improving, showing consistency & belief under this Regime?
Take a few teams this season. West Brom, Everton, Stoke & Sp*rs. Any of those 4 sides this season battle, fight for every single ball. Organised & got a tremendous 'will to win'. Where is this coming from? The Board? The Manager? The Players? Now, if we lost the next 10 games 2-3 under Bilic but we showed tremendous heart, fight, organisation & got done with a couple of world class goals/bits of individual magic, hands up take the defeat..but that's not what's happening. We are half heartedly rolling over, starting sloppily, finishing some games knackered & not looking like a coherent unit on the pitch. It's worrying.
I do understand your viewpoint PP. People calling Bilic ' The best Manager we've ever had' to calling Bilic 'Worst Manager' In WH history. Both are wrong. Somewhere in the middle. No doubt I feel the players like him, training is fun etc....but I question him as a coach. I see him as more of a No2.
Your agenda couldn't be more blatant, hence why you only come on here to spout utter drivel tarted up as if you have clue after a loss. Yo're the kind of bloke Noble was talking about.
Give it up. Your Fat Oaf **** mate has gone thankfully.
Anyone with a differing opinion gets labelled a 'Fat Sam' Fan club member.
No comments or feedback to what I've said above? All nonsense?
Say in 10 years time, we are took over by Sheikh Al Mylook Atmybankba Lance who ploughs in 400m, but the Manager is doing poorly. If I criticize him or question his coaching, is it because my bitterness of the 'Fat Oaf' leaving a decade ago?
Not sure we played that well on Sat. They were exhausted and there for the taking and I am Blic in.
Just trying to give some balance
Well their keeper was man of the match and made three world class saves without which we win the game. Our second half was as good as our first was bad.
Putting on my devil's advocate hat, it could be said their keeper did his job better than our strikers did theirs.
It could also be said that their keeper did his job better than our keeper did his!
Everyone's been sold a pup by the owners and unfortunately Bilic is the one taking the flak.
Sorry to bring it back to the owners, but in my mind, the argument always reverts to "Who would do better?"...and there's no answer.
The same could be said of everyone who is pro Bilic. Ignoring the evidence that Bilic has underperformed and blaming the stadium or the owners instead.
We have one only once in seven games with a couple of good spells here and there.
As for bringing up all the old pain around SA, why are we doing this apart from picking old wounds.
In regards to Roader, well known for his exceptional coaching ability, doesn't make him a great manager, however his issue in his second season was a certain Italian forward we had who undermined him at every opportunity, the whole he relegated 3 teams is a red hearing as well.
Not sure why we are comparing Billic with other managers, smells of fish to me, people didn't want SA as he was too negative, we've got a bloke who plays us open, we probably need something in the middle.
The owners and their agenda if it involves undermining the bloke are the ones we should be pointing fingers at.