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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:47 pm

Peaches wrote:If we do anything the rest of the season it will be a miracle... but of course the manager is to blame.


Some of what you said is fair, some of it less so IMHO

However, are we now saying managers do not have responsibility for the composition of players in their squads? Is that not part of their remit any more?
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby szola on Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:59 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:We haven't looked particularly 'up for it' all season, so the fact we have nothing to play for is not an excuse. Anyway, they are professional footballers with a quarter of the season to go so they should be motivated regardless. We are not safe from relegation yet, so should definitely still be motivated


You know that motivation doesn't work quite like that. It is not defined or altered by the profession you belong to, or to the contractual relations to your employer.

If we weren't up for it, how do you explain our performances in December after Arsenal at home? Or one loss in six?


Crouchend_Hammer wrote:Leicester set back and gave us the ball. We hardly had to run around a lot so not difficult to keep fitness levels up in that scenario. In most games our fitness levels and intensity are 2nd best IMHO (and this has been mentioned a few times in the press)


I see. Leicester just gave us the ball back.

We did though come back in the Watford, S'oton and Middls game this calender year.

Not bad for a team lacking in fitness. Or motivation.


Crouchend_Hammer wrote:Well drilled means having some kind of plan in place so that each player knows what they are supposed to do at all times, based on how the game unfolds. I look at us play and we don't seem to have any kind of discernible style, nor do any individuals really know what they are supposed to be doing or how they should be interacting with other players. It is all a bit 'Heath Robinson', headless chicken style


This is very difficult to achieve, and what can define a good manager. Looking at heat maps and the like from our games, this is one of my biggest gripes with the manager. We aren't positioning ourselves well enough. We are too often too many bodies too tight, and we attack with too many or too few.

I don't know if the likes of Antonio or Byram can even be taught to position themselves correctly. The others should do better, I agree.

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:This is linked to organisation, which manifests itself glaringly in how we defend set pieces. We have all players back, we have a load of big players yet one decent delivery and we are all sea. I expect us to concede on every set play


Our defending at set pieces seems to be defined by the form of Carroll and Reid. That isn't good enough. Agree with you on this one as well.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby BenniBlanco on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:13 pm

Why is it that when the team do well, the manager is given the credit. Yet when the team are not playing well, its the board or the stadium move. It should work both ways.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby steveyrockstar on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:18 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:I posted this in the SuUmmer transfer thread but i think it has relevance here

West Brom have some good players for sure (and have certainly improved their squad), but let's be honest, they are where they are in the table because of the manager

Pulis may not be everyone's cup of tea, but i can assure you that every single one of those players goes onto the pitch fully motivated, extremely fit, exceptionally well-drilled and knows exactly what job they are supposed to do as individuals and as a team in many situations


And yet we the majority on here wanted BFS out for possessing much of those qualities and not playing entertaining football.

Likewise, Stoke fans wanted Pullis out because they'd become bored under his helm.

It's just an endless circus
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby StevePottsGoalsReel on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:29 pm

Crouchend_Hammer wrote:Pulis may not be everyone's cup of tea, but i can assure you that every single one of those players goes onto the pitch fully motivated, extremely fit, exceptionally well-drilled and knows exactly what job they are supposed to do as individuals and as a team in many situations


Pulis probably gives them all personalised ring-binders of the most effective ways to cheat before each match.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby TheHandOfDog on Mon Mar 20, 2017 4:58 pm

Pulis does a job, don't get me wrong. And he may even lead West Brom to their highest points finish and league position. But I don't believe a lot of West Brom fans, just like us, enjoy watching his teams. They couldn't even fill the stadium in a 3-1 win over Arsenal.

Pulis is great in a results driven business but I watch football to be entertained, winning is just a bonus, as is where we finish in the league. I am sure West Brom fans if given the option, would pick to finish 15th if they were entertained a bit more.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:10 pm

I agree
I wouldn't want Pulis at West Ham

I was merely making the point that West Brom (from a league position perspective) are benefiting from having Pulis as a manager, rather than incredible individual performances from their players
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Hamburger on Mon Mar 20, 2017 5:31 pm

I just don't get Bilic's team selections, transfers and tactics. He has a prime opportunity now with all the injury gaps to play people in their right positions. Without Obiang, Nordveit could be the revelation he was before he joined, given the chance. Kayoute can revel in the middle where he was so prolific last year. Byram getting his confidence up with more starts. Ayew bossing behind the front without Antonio. Bring back Oxford. All is not doom and gloom, there could be some positives but not by Bilic's design. He is clueless about team selection, tactics and buys players for positions we already have plenty for in my opinion. I am dreading what the line up might be in 2 weeks. Probably Lanzini in goal and Byram cenrte forward.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Korea Hammer on Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:03 pm

I think he's done alright considering the loss of our stadium and our best player, and it will be interesting to see what happens next season. We are rubbish at the back though, and I think that's been the main issue for most of his reign.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Johnny Byrne's Boots on Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:57 pm

Manager on Monday

Manager says goals conceded to Bournemouth and Leicester are down to individual errors rather than his team being too open

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The intensity in training is really good. You can’t call us a team who is not fit, because in almost every game we finish better than the opponent.

I’m not happy that we have to go behind to do it, but the training is really, really good and the intensity is high.

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Sounds like the criticism is getting to him
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Jumby on Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:03 pm

We're not organised, it's that simple.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Billi Bollox on Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:15 pm

Sorry, i know ill get shot down, but i am thinking its time for a change of manager.

I get the impression the players are no longer motivated by slav...which is dangerous
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby irving boleyn on Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:28 pm

It does seem that the tactics are still "get it wide and cross for Carroll" regardless of personnel.

And all defences are prepared for it and generally cope

That goal Ayew set up for Lanzini recently,running into the box drawing a man and passing, was very much the exception.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby New Jersey on Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:21 pm

It wasn't all crossing the ball for Carroll against Leicester. What was Antonio's run and through ball to Ayew who really should have scored? How many times did Byram get to the by-line and cut the ball back? Besides, it was only a very good save that kept out Carroll's back post header. We peppered their goal and it was crazy how we didn't win or at least get a point.

Everyone's calling it a poor season, but maybe our expectations are too high? Last season we unearthed Payet, along with Antonio and Lanzini got well involved, we finished 7th, and flirted with the top four. That season saw 5,000-1 Leicester win the title with Chelsea and Man Utd having very off seasons. This season the top boys spent money (Mourinho got Zlat in and how much was Pogba again?), Conte got Chelsea playing to their strengths, Everton swapped Martinez for Koeman and they have a top striker in Lukaku. (I wonder where we would be this season if we had Lukaku?) Spurs are a very strong team but that took years to build, Klopp has improved Liverpool, Man City will always be contenders as they can buy whoever they want (talking about Messi). Only Arsenal have slightly slipped and I wouldn't be surprised if they recover and finish in the top four like they have for 16 straight seasons.

So, where did you think we would finish this season? Or next season for that matter? Unless we get new richer than rich owners, we are a solid mid-table team. Which bearing in mind it was only a few years back we had Uncle Avram take us down, then Big Sam made us a bit more solid, which fans didn't like, but it was necessary. Now we bring in Slav with his charisma and he understands the West Ham way. We are more entertaining, which does mean some slack play at times, some decent wins, some disappointing performances, but I'm happy for where we are, I'm happy with what I'm seeing, I'm happy with Slav and I grew up through the John Lyall years, and he sure had some up and down seasons, but we stuck with him, that's what West Ham does.

I don't go to the games being in New Jersey ( I will be there for the Swansea game, and I can't wait to experience the London Stadium and get my old brick) but I watch every game as if I am there. The Payet stuff messed us up, but I think there's been plenty of excitement, some decent football, I wish I had been there for the Palace game, Big Andy's volley has to be goal of the season, and Lanzini's chip was fantastic. Tell me you didn't go home buzzing after that game?

All in all, I think we should remember who we are. Let's continue to build (build the team around Lanzini who is as good as Coutinho) slowly and establish ourselves as a solid 7th-12th team. We aren't ready to break into the top 6 yet. Maybe we never will, but let's not kid ourselves and start calling for a new manager. Let's see what the summer brings and how next season pans out. The only thing I want from this season is to continue to be entertained, get to 40 points as soon as possible, blood some youngsters and beat Spurs and Liverpool at home, which could well happen. Maybe I'm an optimist, but I think we'll win at Hull. Keep the faith boys, we really aren't as bad as some of you make out.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby steveyrockstar on Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:39 pm

Billi Bollox wrote:Sorry, i know ill get shot down, but i am thinking its time for a change of manager.

I get the impression the players are no longer motivated by slav...which is dangerous


going back just last month, the players looked perfectly motivated against southampton, watford, west brom and chelsea. Against bournmouth, we lost because we were poor.

Irrespective, I look at Bilic's entire tenure for us, including last season, and in the grand scheme I think he's done/doing a good job and based on last season alone, definitely deserves next season to right this year's wobbles.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Cardiff here we come..... on Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:29 pm

Apart from Payet & Lanzini who are just individually 'Geniuses' & would be fantastic for Stepney Allotment X1 the current trend is this:

1/Make note of transfer target. In form & playing well.
2/Joins WHU turns from excellent/good player into someone who finds it difficult to kick & football to a team mate.
3/Leaves, plays well & score superb goals

https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=3H2J-5H-L3s

Couldn't hit a barn door when he was with us.

Our players are NOT being coached properly that's why so many are injured, off form & clueless.

No surprise if after his loan, Valencia stump up the £15m. The coaching staff are destroying every single bit of belief they have. They are utterly lost. Enner Valencia, Cresswell, Adrian, Sakho if they all left this summer, wouldn't be surprised they all, like a miracle 'return to form'.

Even the most Bilic & Dicks supporters out there, you don't find it strange that the majority of signings & current squad are all 'Off form'. You maybe get 1 or 2 players but 18+ players playing poorly. It's worrying & surprised not many others are questioning WHY?
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby the pink palermo on Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:37 pm

Cardiff here we come..... wrote: You maybe get 1 or 2 players but 18+ players playing poorly. It's worrying & surprised not many others are questioning WHY?


Perhaps they don't have an agenda to peddle , a constant stream of negativity attacking our Manager unlike yourself .

We're 12th, by definition our players are collectively playing better than the players of 8 other clubs .
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Cardiff here we come..... on Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:45 pm

the pink palermo wrote:
Perhaps they don't have an agenda to peddle , a constant stream of negativity attacking our Manager unlike yourself .

We're 12th, by definition our players are collectively playing better than the players of 8 other clubs .


Promise you PP no agenda.

My opinion is our squad, as a bunch of individuals are a higher quality than Sunderland, Hull, Middlesbro etc...that's why we are higher in the league.

But, as a 'collective' team, working hard as a unit, I sadly think we are bottom 3. Antonio's goals/performances & Lanzini performances have really pull us out of the mire, so far this season.

PP, that's how I see it. I know many will disagree with me but this is NOT about Bilic & Dicks as people, I'm just judging on the end product we're all seeing for the majority of games this season.

I have worries/concerns about our club, not any single individual.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby Burnley Hammer on Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:50 pm

I'm not 100% either way. Not convinced by some of his decisions, or by the way we've gradually looked more and more defensively frail the longer he's been in charge. It's hard to tell what goes on behind the scenes though. I personally don't think we could do any better than him with g&s in charge. I'm happy to see if he can turn the team around and have us playing with a bit more intensity and fight.
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Re: And the new Manager is Slaven Bilic

Postby the pink palermo on Mon Mar 20, 2017 11:15 pm

Cardiff here we come..... wrote:Promise you PP no agenda.
Do me a favour , at least be honest .

Cardiff here we come..... wrote:My opinion is our squad, as a bunch of individuals are a higher quality than Sunderland, Hull, Middlesbro etc...that's why we are higher in the league.
How does it compare with Everton, Southampton and West Brom's ?
Cardiff here we come..... wrote:But, as a 'collective' team, working hard as a unit, I sadly think we are bottom 3.
That's your opinion to which you are entitled but the table says otherwise does it not ?
Cardiff here we come..... wrote:Antonio's goals/performances & Lanzini performances have really pull us out of the mire, so far this season.
You think so ? Lanzini has been good in recent weeks but early season ?
Cardiff here we come..... wrote:this is NOT about Bilic & Dicks as people, I'm just judging on the end product we're all seeing for the majority of games this season.
But you're not , quite simply because you are ignoring the league table .


Cardiff here we come..... wrote:I have worries/concerns about our club, not any single individual.
I cry bull**** .

You're grinding an axe , we all know why , we got the message months ago .
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