Gold and Sullivan ???

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby Hugh Jargon II on Sun Nov 12, 2017 7:51 pm

What the articles are saying is that basically our football club is toxic and corrosive with a bullying culture. I knew that anyway but I'm glad they are finally being exposed. Judging by moyes interaction with the female journo I'm sure he fit right in. A bit like that horrible twat McLeish. Gold loved him. What's the betting he was a hideous bully as well?


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My football club should be Apolitical. I'm personally disgusted with the donation. A disgrace.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby Beavis Danzig on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:03 pm

ashbanki wrote:The media trawl fan forums to gauge what we think and credit goes to one and all for maintaining the unhappiness with the board pretty relentlessly for the last 15 months or so through all the lies and bluster about the new stadium and caliber of players they would sign and levels we would achieve. They have picked up the fact that there was no real "anti manager" backlash from the fans, but more one of helpless apathy toward the board.


keeps coming back to the carvalho thing with me. even with the stadium move, as much as an abomination as it has been you could make an argument that they thought what they were doing was best for the club. it wasn't, isn't and never will be what's best for us, but if you view it through a classless zebra print pornographer's lens, you can just about see the dwarf deluding himself into thinking it.

even with all the "near misses" on big players, you could argue for it being delusion and incompetence as much as anything. agents for players who have no interest in this club using sully's bleating as a negotiating tool and him being too much of a egotistical moron to recognise it.

the carvalho incident is the smoking gun. the whole thing played out infront of us like an x-rated pantomime that left nothing to the imagination. we saw an abject level of professionalism, the bargaining skills of a five year old, the intent of a conman, the communication skills of a sociopath and the need to redirect blame even when caught red handed of a disgusting coward and a compulsive liar.

our absolute number one priority as a club should be the ousting of this worm. everything else is secondary, even what's happening on the pitch.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby the pink palermo on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:07 pm

Re the Cavalho money .

Chalks called it right on here Months ago .

The club didnt have the money.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby Kludgehammer on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:10 pm

brooking_1980 wrote:I hope we get many renditions of "Super Slav" especially at TV games well into the future. The way he was undermined and thrown under the bus was ill-deserved and the Board don't like it when the media picks up on that.

We all need to stand up for what's right, its the best protest vote we can do, we know how to do it, we feel it, and we mean it.


The trouble with that is that there is a substantial portion of the supporters who think it was time (or well past time) for Slav to go. Far better IMHO, to be more direct and aim the abuse directly at the board
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby MooresTheHero on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:34 pm

'Also;
My football club should be Apolitical. I'm personally disgusted with the donation. A disgrace'.

Agree
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby MD_HM on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:36 pm

the pink palermo wrote:Re the Cavalho money .

Chalks called it right on here Months ago .

The club didnt have the money.


Same as the Zaza fund and the missing Payet money....

Again and again...

Seriously though, why is the club so skint at time they should have the most money in our history given the combined sky increases, increased ticket sales and with our low rent etc...

We had a lower net spend in the summer than at the Boleyn as well

Someone said they took out another 30m loan as well I think....

Something just don’t add up
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby smuts on Sun Nov 12, 2017 8:55 pm

I would love to know the instalment plans for Ayew and Arnautovic. Funny how the record signings are from mid table PL teams isn't it?
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby Believer on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:21 pm

Kludgehammer wrote:
The trouble with that is that there is a substantial portion of the supporters who think it was time (or well past time) for Slav to go. Far better IMHO, to be more direct and aim the abuse directly at the board


Agreed. Whether it was his time to go or not, the manner in which he went, the build up to his sacking for over a year, the continuous 2 or 3 game deadlines was in the main to try and force him out. Fortunately Bilic was too stubborn to bow to their bullying and will as it appears happened with Zola, have walked away with a tidy sum.
To follow that up with Brady's lies and bull in a national paper shows the classlessness that the triumvirate share.

The fact that the press have at long last realised that it ain't us ungrateful lot that are at fault but the board is an absolute blessing and I sincerely hope that this continues and that GSB are feeling the pain.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby Believer on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:25 pm

smuts wrote:I would love to know the instalment plans for Ayew and Arnautovic. Funny how the record signings are from mid table PL teams isn't it?


It absolutely stinks mate. To think we could have bought Carvalho for what we've allegedly paid for Arnie ? Nah, I don't think so.

I'd also love to know the full background of the flats at the BG. For a man with the property portfolio that Sullivan has to have no involvement in that is quite frankly unlikely. I'm sure it will all start to unravel now. Once the press start getting involved, they're like a dog with a bone.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby IanBishopLegend7 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:26 pm

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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby Believer on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:29 pm

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Man Utd ain't doing too bad...
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby carnage on Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:30 pm

So no different to what we have then.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby bubbles500 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:28 pm

http://m.thefootballnetwork.net/main/s378/st178418.htm

The property deal for UP is very interesting.I always wondered why sell the land for £38 when the profit on the development could be £200-300m.DS has a large property portfolio it makes no sense at all.Above is what happened with Highbury.Arsenal were originally going to do what we did and sell the land,but then changed mind and did project themselves.This is why they actually suffered financially initially the project cost £120m on top of the stadium.In the end they made £130m profit. And this was greatly affected by property slump. Their development was smaller than proposed UP one so I think it’s fair to say £200-300m is a reasonable estimate at the potential profit.
So you’re DS you already have a vast property empire. And then are presented with 2 choices
1 £38m for sale of land
2 £200m+ doing development yourself

Why did he take 1st option it just doesn’t add up. That’s £200m he has effectively robbed the club of. That money would have cleared all the debt with enough left over for decent players.Serious questions need to be asked about the UP deal.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby leyton Hammer on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:30 pm

Gold doesn't seem to be involved (apart from Twitter) these days, maybe change the thread title to just "Sullivan" or better still "1 (half) man and his dog!
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby mushy on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:39 pm

ludo22 wrote:The Oliver Holt article is very important.He's pretty influential,

He is? What makes you think that?
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby mushy on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:45 pm

bubbles500 wrote:
Why did he take 1st option it just doesn’t add up. That’s £200m he has effectively robbed the club of. That money would have cleared all the debt with enough left over for decent players.Serious questions need to be asked about the UP deal.

Dont think they had any choice on this, besides no way the club could have afforded to stump up 120 million at the time, Sully could have and would have given the chance.
Alternatively he could have lent the 120 million to West Ham, and get 7% interest, but as stated am pretty sure their hands were tied. We were not allowed to make any money at all from the sale of Upton Park and the subsequent redevelopment.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby Believer on Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:59 pm

mushy wrote:Dont think they had any choice on this, besides no way the club could have afforded to stump up 120 million at the time, Sully could have and would have given the chance.
Alternatively he could have lent the 120 million to West Ham, and get 7% interest, but as stated am pretty sure their hands were tied. We were not allowed to make any money at all from the sale of Upton Park and the subsequent redevelopment.


Was he allowed to purchase a percentage of the properties himself though ? Cos let's get it right it wouldn't be for the benefit of the club but anything associated to the deal that benefits "conegate" (his property company who buy and sell land....etc)
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby Hammer.CA on Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:20 pm

ashbanki wrote:The media trawl fan forums to gauge what we think and credit goes to one and all for maintaining the unhappiness with the board pretty relentlessly for the last 15 months or so through all the lies and bluster about the new stadium and caliber of players they would sign and levels we would achieve. They have picked up the fact that there was no real "anti manager" backlash from the fans, but more one of helpless apathy toward the board.
Keep it up and don't worry about being "careful what you wish for" because our worst fears are well and truly here - With every article and every dissenting voice Sullivan get's starved of his most prized craving - narcissism.He's had a more uncomfortable weekend than if we had lost - With most tabloids cottoning on to the fact that the real problem at West Ham United is the board.Win,lose or draw - the message should stay the same until things change in the running of our club.Two season's ago the best and worst thing happened to our club - We had the best PL season in our history and the board used it to herd us into a new stadium on the cheap with a huge dollop of lies, broken promises and sheer incompetence at every turn.


I hope you're right, so if that is the case it might be in the interests of the anti owners brigade not to start slagging off a well known journalist who has been writing for the main newspapers for a lot of years. If Oliver Holt had little talent I doubt he would have found regular employment over the years, whether everybody agrees with his point of view is another thing altogether. I've met him twice, always came across as a decent sort of bloke I thought.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby brooking_1980 on Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:25 pm

Its always bugged me a little bit about the land deal at UP, as it distinctly went for a far lower value than it was actually worth to a developer. That's absolutely not Sully style.

If a businessman wanted to get around the rules, I suppose he could cut a deal with his friend in said development company, that some assets or consideration was passed to him, but outside of the "normal" contract. Hopefully one day, someone with a great inquisitive financial brain will be able to see if that's happened.
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Re: Gold and Sullivan ???

Postby HamburgHammer on Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:41 pm

I reckon one fine day the Sullivan reign at West Ham will be over. Then things can be analysed properly, but it's a given that Sullivan will have got far more out of West Ham than what he put into the club.

It'll be a story of asset stripping and milking a club by riding the Premier League gravy train on a very cheap ticket. GSB have been custodians of their own pockets far more than they have been acting as custodians of West Ham.
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