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bubbles500 wrote:Ok if you don't think your chairman ,celebrating getting out of bottom 3,because another club got thumped 4-0 is embarrassing.
Clearly he doesn't. Neither do I as it goes... it's hilarious it was at the expense of £100m spenders Everton!
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HammerMan2004 wrote:He's hardly celebrating. Stop looking for things to get angry about dude, relax.

I agree, it's not embarrassing, it's also accurate for once. Image
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hammer1975 wrote:Carvalho will cost more in January. Because Sporting don't need the cash having sold Silva to Leicester, more competition to sign him, January window premium and a 'f*** you' overlay from Sporting applied purely to West Ham London

Shame, still think he would have transformed our midfield. Board failed massively.
Then he won't move... again... which he doesn't seem bothered about doing anyway (good for him?)

40 million for a player who hasn't tested himself in a top league yet... to put into context, that's 10 million more than the best player in the world in that position on the back of winning the Premier League. No wonder Sporting aren't getting a willing buyer.

Is Carvalho required when playing 3 at the back?

I'm not defending the board here - just expressing my opinion
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westlondonhammer wrote: Is Carvalho required when playing 3 at the back?
Nope, but is he required playing 4 at the back? Which would accommodate our more advanced players better?
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westlondonhammer wrote: Then he won't move... again... which he doesn't seem bothered about doing anyway (good for him?)

40 million for a player who hasn't tested himself in a top league yet... to put into context, that's 10 million more than the best player in the world in that position on the back of winning the Premier League. No wonder Sporting aren't getting a willing buyer.

Is Carvalho required when playing 3 at the back?

I'm not defending the board here - just expressing my opinion

The correct question is: has Slaven switched to playing three at the back only after being lied to? Promised Carvalho with Krychowiak as a back up according to the emails. I doubt we'd be playing 3 at the back if we had one of them.
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apologies if in the wrong thread, i went to the Sporting game at the weekend as i was in town on a stag do. EVERYTHING they did was through him, granted the oppoistion were terrible but he collects the ball from the centre backs constantly and looks forward, big and strong and calm on the ball (but again plenty of time). I would say he is very slow though. Would fit the physical side brilliantly but pace would be way off imo.
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HammerMan2004 wrote:Nope, but is he required playing 4 at the back? Which would accommodate our more advanced players better?
But if he is playing as a more advanced centre back... why not play an actual centre back and push up the full backs into wing backs?

fwiw when playing 4 at the back I agree we need a player like him... but when we're not he becomes an expensive luxury. 4 at the back hasn't worked for us for a long time... and while he may fix that, there may actually be other reasons why that isn't work (i.e. left backs who are better at going forward that at defending).
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BostonHammer wrote:The correct question is: has Slaven switched to playing three at the back only after being lied to? Promised Carvalho with Krychowiak as a back up according to the emails. I doubt we'd be playing 3 at the back if we had one of them.
That's a very loaded question

Why would he start the season with 4 at the back without those players if it wasn't optimal given the players available?
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We've had two spells as a club recently where we've been both exciting to watch and got results that have carried us up the league.

One was half a season with a fit and interested Alex Song - a world class player
The other was a full season with Payet - until he seemed to grow disinterested - a world class player

Both brought balance in their way to our team - Song through defensive brilliance enabling players like Downing, Valencia etc to look good at the other end (free from having to track back relentlessly) and Payet through ball retention and sheer creation of chances pinning the opposition back and relieving pressure on our defence.

A wise man once said 'players - they're important'. Talk of moving a CB to midfield because we didn't have the foresight to actually bring in a defensive mid that (1) wanted to come here on relatively low wages and (2) would likely have been a staple of our midfield for 5+ years - at a time when the whole league had a couple of perennial underperformers are moving to accommodate two athletic, physical midfielders just sounds like excuses to me. I've said before - he was cheaper as a deal than Arnautovic. The same dude who isn't making a huge chunk of people's first 11's already.

I also don't believe it would have needed £40m - that's uk paper talk imo, Portuguese press regularly reported at the time that he would go for £30m if we offered it and the sticking point was that Sporting wanted £20m up front - whereas we wanted to spread it. The only evidence in circulation backs up what the Portuguese press reported throughout the whole affair.

There is always a risk that Carvalho wouldn't have been as good but he could also have had the impact that those two did - both individually and as part of bringing balance to the team by being housed next to Obiang in a 4-2-3-1. I believe we needed him, I believe we could afford him, I believe he wanted to come and the manager wanted him. I don't believe our owners, there's too much smoke on this deal I'm afraid.
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JULIAN-IS-MY-HERO wrote:apologies if in the wrong thread, i went to the Sporting game at the weekend as i was in town on a stag do. EVERYTHING they did was through him, granted the oppoistion were terrible but he collects the ball from the centre backs constantly and looks forward, big and strong and calm on the ball (but again plenty of time). I would say he is very slow though. Would fit the physical side brilliantly but pace would be way off imo.
I hope you enjoyed your (cold) evening. It was a pretty tame match, as we were reeling from the midweek game in Athens. Pretty much everyone plays worse, or at very least less, after European games. It didn't help the show that we got an (amazing) early goal, and Tondela did pretty much nothing all game.

As for our Sir William, he indeed slower than normal. He missed a few through passes, which is rare for him too, but he also had two amazing changes near the end of the game, with 2 headers from corners, one with an amazing save by the keeper, and the other one (on the following corner) that hit the upright.
He's not a runner, never will be, but he makes up for that by reading the game very well and being where he needs to be to recover the ball or give a passing opportunity to his teammates.
Also, I don't think you guys know, but he was a centre back for most of his youth career. He played there on his 1st loan spell, and I think he also played as a CB in Belgium. It was with Leonardo Jardim that he 1st started playing as a defensive midfielder, so he easily jumps into that role if needed, as was seen on our preseason game against Fiorentina.

BTW, what about those goals?
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The following was recently posted on West Ham's Reddit page, I suppose I should say "take it with a grain of salt" but the behavior described sounds EXACTLY like those clowns.

"Take this all with a pinch of salt, but the guy seemed genuine enough with some credible proof, so I believe it to be true.

Have been in Athens since Sunday, so on Monday I decided to head to an Irish bar to watch us play Huddersfield. Walked in asked if the game was on, girl behind the bar said yeah, instantly a guy asked if I was a hammers fan. We got chatting turns out he's a season ticket holder, works in Greece and London, eventually reveals he's a banker. Then eventually reveals he happens to work with Sullivan, as Sullivan does business with his bank. Tells me a few stories that Sullivan has told him from his porn days and about how he shagged nearly 1000 women in a year. Then tells me that within the next week or two an American guy he knows should be purchasing a 7-8% stake in West Ham. Gold and Sullivan would prefer it if the news didn't go public as they don't want people to think they are selling, which they aren't, the shares the American is buying belong to an American hedge fund that they got hold of after the Icelandic consortium fiasco.

The guy had videos of David Gold taking penalties before the final game at Upton Park (shocking attempt) stadium is completely empty. As well as himself and his kids taking penalties. Considering in the video no one else even seems to be in the stadium, (not even stewards) I'm prone to believe him.

Not the most earth shattering news, but it was such a random interaction I wanted to share with some people that might find it interesting!

EDIT: Another interesting thing he mentioned, over the entire time Gold and Sullivan have owned Birmingham and West Ham, their net spend is only £4 million... so those waiting for that Carvalho or something similar... it's not happening unless we sell big.

The promises they make about big singings isn't just to sell season tickets, I think it's more of a case of them disguising the lack of investment they actually put in."

As I said this was from reddit, read here:

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Telegraph Football @TeleFootball
Premier League clubs poised for cash bonanza as Facebook and Amazon prepare to enter rights bidding war

Talk about timing,they will make an absolute fortune.
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bubbles500 wrote:Telegraph Football @TeleFootball
Premier League clubs poised for cash bonanza as Facebook and Amazon prepare to enter rights bidding war

Talk about timing,they will make an absolute fortune.
Premier League plant story about new media bidding for rights to scare BT/Sky into raising bids ahead of auction
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hammer1975 wrote:Carvalho will cost more in January. Because Sporting don't need the cash having sold Silva to Leicester, more competition to sign him, January window premium and a 'f*** you' overlay from Sporting applied purely to West Ham London

Shame, still think he would have transformed our midfield. Board failed massively.

? have they? IIRC the player's purchase wasn't registered in time and has been thus far not been completed.
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Premier League plant story about new media bidding for rights to scare BT/Sky into raising bids ahead of auction[/quote]

Hardly think sky are gonna lodge a £5-10bn bid based on a story in the telegraph.Its pretty obvious the likes of Amazon are gonna get involved.Sky will put some crazy bid in ,they just can't afford to lose it.My guess be £7.5 Bn.An extra £100m per club approx :lol:
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bubbles500 wrote:
Hardly think sky are gonna lodge a £5-10bn bid based on a story in the telegraph.Its pretty obvious the likes of Amazon are gonna get involved.Sky will put some crazy bid in ,they just can't afford to lose it.My guess be £7.5 Bn.An extra £100m per club approx :lol:
I think there will be some disruptive bid but Sky are facing cash challenges and BT have realised that PL Football isn't the sliver bullet to sell broadband they thought it as.

There's genuine worries at the PL HQ that we may see a dip in rights bidding this year, there's also concern about the effect of all you naughty boys and girls with your KODI boxes.

There's an extra 22 matches going on sale in the next deal, they may be ones sold to a new media platform but there's concern about fan reaction to having to buy new hardware.
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I expect Sky to buy fewer games as part of the next contract.

I wouldn't be at all shocked to see facebook, youtube or someone like that offer free games.
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You'll see beIN Sports and Disney/ESPN added to the bidding rumour mix as well.

Amazon/Facebook are unlikely as they are a streaming service and not broadcast.

BT paid £320m a season for their 42 games - say an average 2.5m viewers per game - that's £128 a year viewer subscription just to cover the rights, let alone production costs. If Amazon bid for a similar rights package they've got to get those 2.5m subscribers from a zero start - and still be competing against Sky and BT - that's going to take a rather large advertising budget as well, much of it spent with Murdoch!

Remember this is just for the UK - doesn't help Amazon/Facebook from a global perspective.

As George says they may offer the 22 extra matches for streaming - but as non-exclusive as they don't want to alienate too many broadcast viewers. Amazon got the non-exclusive rights to 10 NFL matches in the US alongside broadcasters CBS and NBC.

Sky massively overbid for the last rights - they were stitched up by BT who put in large bids for the prime Saturday evening slot and 8 other Saturday matches - fearing that they were going to lose Saturday football completely they overbid for the other lunchtime matches and knock on effects for the other packages. They won't do that again and also they're maxing out on viewers, especially those who are prepared to keep paying higher subscriptions.

Also expect many more scare stories about Kodi appearing in the Murdoch press, Telegraph and Mail over the coming months as the Premier League invest very heavily in PR!
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Personally still pay for sky ,just Cba streaming every game.Plus I'd miss SSN soccer Saturday F1 cricket etc.I don't pay for BT,if it's one off game really want to watch I'll just stream.Even though BT has CL ,for me the whole package just isn't enough to warrant another subscription.I don't think another new broadcaster will achieve much with just a few games.Im sure I could probably just stream everything to my TV if I really wanted to,just pure laziness I don't.
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claretcloggy wrote: ? have they? IIRC the player's purchase wasn't registered in time and has been thus far not been completed.
Adrien Silva is a Leicester player. His contract with Sporting was terminated, and what happened was that his registration in the FA and the Premier League was denied because the the last document arrived 14 seconds late.


I think live event transmissions are going to change drastically in a few years. VR is going to be a game changer, the ability to watch a concert, or a game, as if you're actually there is going to be huge, so I don't see TV rights as going down in the middle/long term.
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