Late David Gold, Sullivan and Brady

[Marky]

The players have done it Hammerman not the board.
What next Brady’s tunes of her childhood?

[Northern_Light]

I ... read through the Jan transfer window thread 5 to 6 times a day in the deluded hope that Sullivan will realise the state were in and sign a few players that will improve the first team.

...because signing a player is so easy!!!!

How do I respond to this comment? Time and again I see comments and attacks on the management of the club based on zero understanding of how the transfer window actually works. And there really is no excuse for that these days. Surely it's just common sense nowadays to realise that signing a player that improves your team involves either a risk on a player that hasn't been performing to the expectation, or a player that has had the talent in the past, but is in the twilight of their career. Why would a player that is capable of joining a top 6 team join us if we are near the relegation zone? Why? I mean, WHY?

We just cannot realistically expect it. The best we can hope for is a gamble. And yet we slag the board off for even thinking that they might gamble with the future of the club, as if it was all in their hands. It just isn't.

Always, always the premise is that the better choice was on the table, and actually, that was never actually true!!!!!!!

Wake up! This is NOT Championship Manager!

[sicknote]

Wake up! This is NOT Championship Manager!

You should direct that at the person/ family who are playing that game

99% of people on here know it’s not championship manager it a pity our owners don’t

And actually gave the manager the tools and say so

[e-20]

That presumes they couldn't have brought in players of reasonable quality when we were not in relegation trouble. I mean they must surely have to take some responsibility in that surely. Especially when balanced against their boasts of European glory just around the corner. Fact is they have neither contributed sufficient funds in quantity or resultant players in quality to back up their claimed expectations and as owners it really is their position that they must take at least a good share of the responsibility. Unless you put it all down to simple bad luck over the years of thir stewardship.

[BubbleBoy]

...because signing a player is so easy!!!!

How do I respond to this comment? Time and again I see comments and attacks on the management of the club based on zero understanding of how the transfer window actually works. And there really is no excuse for that these days. Surely it's just common sense nowadays to realise that signing a player that improves your team involves either a risk on a player that hasn't been performing to the expectation, or a player that has had the talent in the past, but is in the twilight of their career. Why would a player that is capable of joining a top 6 team join us if we are near the relegation zone? Why? I mean, WHY?

We just cannot realistically expect it. The best we can hope for is a gamble. And yet we slag the board off for even thinking that they might gamble with the future of the club, as if it was all in their hands. It just isn't.

Always, always the premise is that the better choice was on the table, and actually, that was never actually true!!!!!!!

Wake up! This is NOT Championship Manager!

Evening Mr Sullivan, you might need to run this excuse through the Comms Team before its published on 1st Feb.

Northern - I admire your optimism that our board might even entertain a 'gamble'.
I doubt we'll see anything beyond two loan signings in exchange for two or three sold this window.
If we were sitting in 7th and playing nicely I'd have little problem with that, but we've been exceedingly poor for over 18months largely down to lack of decent investment into the playing staff.
We had a golden opportunity to push on in Slav's first season and in Sam's penultimate season. They chose cheaply, they always will.

[goingunderground]

...because signing a player is so easy!!!!

How do I respond to this comment? Time and again I see comments and attacks on the management of the club based on zero understanding of how the transfer window actually works. And there really is no excuse for that these days. Surely it's just common sense nowadays to realise that signing a player that improves your team involves either a risk on a player that hasn't been performing to the expectation, or a player that has had the talent in the past, but is in the twilight of their career. Why would a player that is capable of joining a top 6 team join us if we are near the relegation zone? Why? I mean, WHY?

We just cannot realistically expect it. The best we can hope for is a gamble. And yet we slag the board off for even thinking that they might gamble with the future of the club, as if it was all in their hands. It just isn't.

Always, always the premise is that the better choice was on the table, and actually, that was never actually true!!!!!!!

Wake up! This is NOT Championship Manager!

Evening Jack/Dave Jnr.

[Harry Hound]

That presumes they couldn't have brought in players of reasonable quality when we were not in relegation trouble. I mean they must sure have had done influence in that surely. Especially when balanced against their boasts of European glory just around the corner. Fact is they have neither contributed sufficient funds in quantity or in quality to back up their claimed expectations and as owners it really is their position that they must take at least a good share of the responsibility. Unless you put it all down to simple bad luck over the years of thir stewardship.

Exactly not that long ago we had been challenging for the top 4 had Payet playing out his skin a squad totally motivated and looking forward to a new season, an enthused fan base and many of our rivals looking at us enviously yet they managed to f*** it all up. The blame stops fully and totally with them and their mendacity and short-sightedness with recruitment and investment.

[Believer]

If there's no debt it makes us more expensive to purchase. Whatever the debt is, typically gets knocked of the valuation. If the Club's worth 2s 6d with a bob's worth of debt you can either pay 1s 6d and inherit the debt or pay half a crown and the seller clears the debt.

Oh yeah of course it does. That makes it even more likely - sell our players, pay off the debt, don't spend money on replacements, just get in loans and hope that the relegation gods are smiling. Again !

[e-20]

sugar has been heavily investing in property since 1986 , or maybe earlier pretty sure he is a 1000 times more solvent than sullivan .

Yes he is, well not quite 1000. This is a man who's biggest and best business decision was to get out of computers literally about a year before Compac were about to destroy him along with Amstrad (ironically Compac too were destroyed some years later of course) and put his money into property as we were about to come out of recession. It really is Comical that he is still deemed some sort of business genius if only because of his TV exposure. And totally ironic that his cheap and cheerful junk only succeeded in destroying a truly innovative British tech industry in particular that of Acorn. While Sugar is a near mythical figure through media whoredon, the true geniuses of that period and that ompany Sir Herman Hauser and Chris Curry who out of the destruction Sugar caused at that time created Arm the World's biggest and most innovative designer of silicon chips, yet are virtually unknown despite their contributions then and since. Somehow that is a microcosm for what is deemed important in UK Plc.

[Kialos]

...because signing a player is so easy!!!!

How do I respond to this comment? Time and again I see comments and attacks on the management of the club based on zero understanding of how the transfer window actually works. And there really is no excuse for that these days. Surely it's just common sense nowadays to realise that signing a player that improves your team involves either a risk on a player that hasn't been performing to the expectation, or a player that has had the talent in the past, but is in the twilight of their career. Why would a player that is capable of joining a top 6 team join us if we are near the relegation zone? Why? I mean, WHY?

We just cannot realistically expect it. The best we can hope for is a gamble. And yet we slag the board off for even thinking that they might gamble with the future of the club, as if it was all in their hands. It just isn't.

Always, always the premise is that the better choice was on the table, and actually, that was never actually true!!!!!!!

Wake up! This is NOT Championship Manager!

Dear oh dear. I think you might have got away with that spiel 12 months ago but we've virtually all wised up now.

Remind me why we moved into the LS again. Remind me what the board and Brady said again. Remind me of the 2016 Summer transfer window, after having a storming PL campaign and Payet in the side. Remind me what the statement of intent was that window with our first signing? Nordveit on a free.

I hope you are a board plant just posting what you've been briefed to post because it would be astounding to have an ordinary West Ham fan be so incredulous in their comments otherwise.

[goingunderground]

Dear oh dear. I think you might have got away with that spiel 12 months ago but we've virtually all wised up now.

Remind me why we moved into the LS again. Remind me what the board and Brady said again. Remind me of the 2016 Summer transfer window, after having a storming PL campaign and Payet in the side. Remind me what the statement of intent was that window with our first signing? Nordveit on a free.

I hope you are a board plant just posting what you've been briefed to post because it would be astounding to have an ordinary West Ham fan be so incredulous in their comments otherwise.

Genuinely wouldn't put it past our board to plant fake supporters/use bots and what not. We've seen that with Brady's Twitter feed.

You can't gaslight KUMB.

[e-20]

[
"hammernsickle"]Eisner (runs Disney if you don't know) bought Portsmouth because he was priced out of buying a Premier League club (probably West Brom). His mindset is very informative. Why would a world class businessman pay top dollar for a poorly run Premier League club in debt when they can buy a lower league club

To be a pedant, he ran Disney up to 2005 when he was basically forced out!

Indeed he was running Disney into the ground and was playing hard ball with S Jobs over a new contract with Pixar, their one success story operating as distributer. Overplayed his hand and got booted out by the board and Disney family knowing that a deal over Pixar was all but done if they did as Jobs insisted and he was sacked. So sack him they did and Disney been on the up ever since culminating with their recent deal to acquire 20th Century Fox ie most of Murdochs media business. Meanwhile their ex is now a minor football team owner. Oh well sometimes Khama gets a boost so we can live in hope.

But no he would not on past performance be a good owner to wish for.

[Cellar-door]

From a financial standpoint (not footballing) Gold and Sullivan have set it up for themselves well to cash out. Lower overhead than most clubs making it more attractive to a buyer, all the debt to themselves, so instead of either having to pay someone to clear the debt and getting more for the club or getting less from the club and passing along the debt, they have the 3rd way, pay off the debt to themselves AND get more for the club.

I hope that the surprisingly low investment is because they are quietly clearing off debt with the intention of unofficially putting it out that they would be willing to listen to bids. More likely, they're just trying to suck as much value out of the club as possible with no intention to sell until Gold dies.

[mushy]

As much as I'd like that to be true, if you spend 5 minutes on Companies House you can find Sullivan owned companies with Net Assets (i.e. after debt) of in excess of £400m Mushy. You're right to say that his wealth isn't all liquid, but by any reasonable stretch of the imagination he's a wealthy man (just not particularly wealthy compared to some other owners).

The fact that additional funding isn't being provided to the Club is nothing to do with Sullivan's personal circumstances. The plan has always been to put no more than the absolute bare minimum into the club and that's never going to change. In fact, they've repaid some of the loans they've made to the Club so they're taking cash out.

Yes thats what i was trying to say, apologies if I got it a little wrong, its liquid assets (cash) I am talking about, I believe he has very little of it available, relying on a steady income from loans to WHUFC and other incomes to keep going. He had to sell one of his properties recently to fund paying off the bank loan didnt he?

[GreenStHammer]

I finally believe they are shafting us. They're an embarrassment, killing the club for me, meanwhile lining their pockets at the expense of loyal fans.

All the while pretending they are true fans (which I'm sure Sullivan is not). Just after they had ****ed over bcfc. They only took on this club to get the OS. And take us there via any means necessary (regardless of venue success). Then wallop off into the sunshine with hundreds of millions. Pathetic, but what else can you expect from two shameless porn barons.

What's worse is that they are inept at running a club and can't see it. The worst thing of all is that the average whu fan is oblivious to everything.

Our soul, culture and reputation are the lowest they have been in my lifetime.. With absolute no benefits to any of us fans

[GreenStHammer]

Oh and they do all the above, while feeding lie after lie to the fans. Pretending about clearing the debt, when they just moved it to debt to them, at 7% interest. Which they then claim they had to, due to the market r rates or something.

Always moaning about FFP, time and time again, when no other clubs do. Putting confidentiality agreements into contracts, and then undermining managers and players. So they can totally lie about things, and blame others who can't deny it due to confidentiality clauses.

Always hunting for loans, then never wanting to buy the players Ala zaza. Just terrible. If only the average fan could know all this. They would be wanted right out the door!

Year after year, pretending to chase big money players, knowing they are low balling and will be rejected. On the odd occasion where it seems that it's a possibility, Ala bacca and Carvalho, they pull the plug for some bs reason.

// rant over

[Bend it like Repka]

I thought I'd seen it all with previous owners of the club and their financial bull**** they have rained down upon us, but to be in the position we are, where we traded our spiritual home for promises so empty that we have a squad so thin in quality and commitment, and now face getting in short term loans to aid a short term manager enable us to stay in the top division......

Absolute disgrace. Idiots.

[chigwells finest]

Yes he is, well not quite 1000. This is a man who's biggest and best business decision was to get out of computers literally about a year before Compac were about to destroy him along with Amstrad (ironically Compac too were destroyed some years later of course) and put his money into property as we were about to come out of recession. It really is Comical that he is still deemed some sort of business genius if only because of his TV exposure. And totally ironic that his cheap and cheerful junk only succeeded in destroying a truly innovative British tech industry in particular that of Acorn. While Sugar is a near mythical figure through media whoredon, the true geniuses of that period and that ompany Sir Herman Hauser and Chris Curry who out of the destruction Sugar caused at that time created Arm the World's biggest and most innovative designer of silicon chips, yet are virtually unknown despite their contributions then and since. Somehow that is a microcosm for what is deemed important in UK Plc.

good reading that , lots of people/companies, have pulled out of their own industries and turned into property companies , retail is a very difficult place , 10/12 years ago , who'd of thought NOKIA would've been blown out of the water the way they have and many like it . Sugar has very good advisors too , he comes across 100 times better on tv than he is in real life , make of that what you will , but he knew when his time was up at spurs , as he didnt want the aggro , i wish our 2 would do the same

[chigwells finest]

i ve come off all social media , does DG still have his twitter page etc ?

[ageing hammer]

Genuinely wouldn't put it past our board to plant fake supporters/use bots and what not. We've seen that with Brady's Twitter feed.

You can't gaslight KUMB.

Brady = Fanny by gaslight.