Agree. They have different strengths but Adrian would have shut Chadli's shot down as he'd have been off his line. No idea what Randolph was doing for the second but would have been hard for Adrian to do worse.wizzo_66 wrote:We would have another 3 points in the bag had this man played yesterday.
Adrián San Miguel del Castillo
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I'm not sure it was a priority in the summer as up until Adrian's couple of mistakes early on he was firmly considered first choice and I would have seen plenty of other positions needed filling first
Adrian is good enough to achieve 7th place or a cup run, which without investment is probably the best we can hope for
However Randolph is more of a bottom half of the table, top half of the championship type of keeper
Adrian is good enough to achieve 7th place or a cup run, which without investment is probably the best we can hope for
However Randolph is more of a bottom half of the table, top half of the championship type of keeper
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There are a small clutch of teams who concede a lot more goals relative to the number of shots they allow the opposition.
The top five for that are Liverpool, Man City, Palace, Bournemouth and us.
All these teams seem to have error riddled defences or iffy 'keepers, or both.
Randolph doesn't seem to make the conspicuous rush of blood howlers that Adrian occasionally does, but he doesn't stop the shots that Adrian would.
I do think Randolph has played behind a better defensive unit with Obiang, Cresswell, Carroll in the main.
The top five for that are Liverpool, Man City, Palace, Bournemouth and us.
All these teams seem to have error riddled defences or iffy 'keepers, or both.
Randolph doesn't seem to make the conspicuous rush of blood howlers that Adrian occasionally does, but he doesn't stop the shots that Adrian would.
I do think Randolph has played behind a better defensive unit with Obiang, Cresswell, Carroll in the main.
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I still don't fully understand why he was dropped? Does slav read kumb?
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Absolutely nothing id seen of Adrian this season to suggest that you are right. His decision making is on par with Randy. Nothing between the two keepers. Adrian had the jersey for the last few years. Time for Randolph to have the same unless a world class keeper becomes available and we can get him.wizzo_66 wrote:We would have another 3 points in the bag had this man played yesterday.
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As someone said somewhere, we have got 2 great reserve keepers.
The Board operate a "Minimalist Spend" designed to spend the least amount, and not get relegated. There is no way they would bring Hart in on £ 200k/week (or anywhere near it), let's face it, why would they, its not going to generate the revenues to pay for it, we wouldn't if it was our business.
Having said that, they're both International goalies, so probably not the worst example of the Daves work.
The Board operate a "Minimalist Spend" designed to spend the least amount, and not get relegated. There is no way they would bring Hart in on £ 200k/week (or anywhere near it), let's face it, why would they, its not going to generate the revenues to pay for it, we wouldn't if it was our business.
Having said that, they're both International goalies, so probably not the worst example of the Daves work.
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I've always maintained that Adrian was the far better keeper of the two, but tbf Randy has been playing well and Adrian took a dip. Maybe there's something going on with him in training but if not I think it's time to recall him.
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Probably does the irresponsible thing of making decisions based on what he sees in training, the players attitude and how he interacts with the rest of the team...rubbish like that. He should just pick the team on what people on kumb sayihateroeder wrote:I still don't fully understand why he was dropped? Does slav read kumb?
My guess is Adrian hasn't taken to being benched well...he's gone from being a big vocal supporter of the club on Twitter to not bothered...a stark contrast.
I'm not convinced he'd have made much difference yesterday, it's likely he would have made the same errors or at least similar ones.
Results with Randolph in the team have been much better...misjudging a corner isn't enough to get dropped
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I'd say Randolph is marginally better, but the defence as a whole have been better with Randy as opposed to Adrian. Theres been shaky moments all over but it was a shambles at the start of the season. We could do with an upgrade, for sure.
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In a nut shellLincolnhammer92 wrote:I'd say Randolph is marginally better, but the defence as a whole have been better with Randy as opposed to Adrian. Theres been shaky moments all over but it was a shambles at the start of the season. We could do with an upgrade, for sure.
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Adrian is a better all round keeper than Randolph, but ..... is a bottle job. As soon as there is an outside chance of getting hurt he either overreacts or just goes to pieces.
Randoplh is a bit of a tough but but lacks some of Adrans' ability. AS been mentioned aeralier, we have two great reserve keepers. Could be solved though if Adrian grew a set.
Randoplh is a bit of a tough but but lacks some of Adrans' ability. AS been mentioned aeralier, we have two great reserve keepers. Could be solved though if Adrian grew a set.
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To be a top half quality first choice keeper Adrian would need a new brainGaryP wrote:Adrian is a better all round keeper than Randolph, but ..... is a bottle job. As soon as there is an outside chance of getting hurt he either overreacts or just goes to pieces.
Randoplh is a bit of a tough but but lacks some of Adrans' ability. AS been mentioned aeralier, we have two great reserve keepers. Could be solved though if Adrian grew a set.
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Trouble is Bilic said he has two great goalkeepers so don't hold your breath hoping an upgrade will be bought.Lincolnhammer92 wrote:I'd say Randolph is marginally better, but the defence as a whole have been better with Randy as opposed to Adrian. Theres been shaky moments all over but it was a shambles at the start of the season. We could do with an upgrade, for sure.
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For me that is what made Adrian stand out, his ability to use his body to stop the ball, like a proper keeper should.Stevey wrote:One of Adrian's biggest strengths is his ability to save with his feet. Chadli's shot wouldn't have gone through his legs. I'm certain of that.
I used to play in goal as a kid and saved loads with me legs and feet and managers and teammates used to whine saying I needed to use my hands, it completely put me off goalkeeping as I thought the aim was to keep the ball out and if someone is pelting one at you from 5-10 yards out it's best to use the closest part of your body to the ball. Then I watched Buffon at 17 makes save after save with his feet and knew that these pricks were talking sh*t!
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He's been a first choice keeper for top 7 clubs in both Spain and England,Yea Why Not wrote:To be a top half quality first choice keeper Adrian would need a new brain
His mistakes are simply more conspicuous than Randolph's. Randolph lets in shots a bigger keeper would save.
Adrian is far more likely to make a save that I think he has no right to save.
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He's been a first choice keeper yeah but end of the day we signed him for peanuts and are going to let him leave on a free by the looks of it. He's simply too erratic to be a top level keeper and Randolph would be the better reserve keeper imo as he is the steadier of the two. Our defence without question look better with him behind thembubbles1966 wrote:
He's been a first choice keeper for top 7 clubs in both Spain and England,
His mistakes are simply more conspicuous than Randolph's. Randolph lets in shots a bigger keeper would save.
Adrian is far more likely to make a save that I think he has no right to save.
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Arguably though the common denomination could have been moving Antonio away from defence rather than dropping AdrianLincolnhammer92 wrote:I'd say Randolph is marginally better, but the defence as a whole have been better with Randy as opposed to Adrian.
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I think if David Seaman had played behind a West Ham defence his entire career he'd have done well for an International call up.
We've never had a top notch back line in the 40 years I can remember so our goalies will be exposed more than the top sides.
Adrians temperament for me is not as good as Randolph who looks very composed.
We've never had a top notch back line in the 40 years I can remember so our goalies will be exposed more than the top sides.
Adrians temperament for me is not as good as Randolph who looks very composed.
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Two absolute classics of the already well-established Randolph 'not 100% sure but probably should have done better there, right?' genre.