fjthegrey wrote:"Never seen Zaza, don't know much about him, underwhelmed."
Strange thought process. Joined Juve for £15mil last year. Scored goals for them and Sassuolo. International for one of the strongest national teams in the world.
Be excited you miserable ****'s. Hes excellent.
FJ for the win!
We've gone from crapping on players who have 2 games at this club in a whole new surrounding to shooting a player who has yet to kick a ball for us.
Although the appearance based transfer does have me worried that he will pick up a strange injury come spring time that keeps him out for the rest of the season. Or am I just quoting a useless source for that appearance-based transfer fee?
If we don't get shot of sakho this window I can't see us getting a penny for him. Unless he goes on loan somewhere and recaptures he's form from when he first signed. Seems he just don't give a sh*t and everyone knows we don't want him rumours of us gettin close to 30million for him and Valencia earlier in the summer, think we'll have done well to get back what we paid for the pair.
I've got to say, what I saw from Obiang last night was a big sign that he adds absolutely nothing to our midfield that Kouyate or Noble don't offer too. Funny, because when he comes on for little bits of matches he looks OK. But last night he looked one paced, and that pace was slow.Not necessarily a reflection on him, as in general we were poor last night.
I think one of Obiang, Kouyate and Noble should be playing alongside Lanzini. Only Lanzini out of those is a definite name on the teamsheet for me in terms of what they offer, as I'd rate the other three as much of a muchness. Based on what Fernandes is like, I think one of Lanzini/Fernandes will be playing alongside one of Noble/Kouyate/Obiang for a lot of this season. And three into one just won't go, so one of those three is shafted. So who do you want to lose - the lifelong Hammer and club captain, the Senegalese beast with a Ferrari engine, or the Spanish stopper?
I mean, I suppose we could stick with the formation we've been playing (i.e. one deep defensive midfielder and two ahead) and play Nordtveit/Obiang behind Lanzini/Fernandes and Noble/Kouyate? But then...what do you do up top? Payet left, Ayew right, Zaza up front? That leaves Feghouli out on the sidelines kicking his heels, as well as Tore and Antonio with reduced chances. Would rather see us playing a 3-1 with Ayew behind Zaza, Feghouli and Payet wide. That should unlockd defences. Then you bring Antonio and Carroll on to batter them for the last 20 when they're knackered. But with that you play two centre mids, so you're back to a case of one's got to go. Obiang is, I think, the odd man out of the three.
I quite fancy a loan for Callum Chambers, by the way. Assuming we're not signing Iorfa, that is...
Have been hearing this morning we're after a Callum Chambers loan? I would agree that we need a RB for depth, but I'm not sure Chambers is the answer...
If he starts it stifles Byram's development, if he doesn't he's a loan on higher wages that we don't really need.
Would rather bring in Debuchy because Byram can actually learn something for him, or sign another Championship RB like that fella from Wolves... either would be better than Chambers. I don't like loaning in players from our rivals to develop... especially on their inflated wages. Debuchy wouldn't be as bad because he's not an up-and-comer like Chambers.
Sloffy wrote:This is not panicking or a meltdown of any sorts, but Im really disappointed with the signings this summer.
I honestly dont rate any of the players we've either signed or been linked with. ( Take the promising youth players out of the equation )
Never rated Ayew - another Enner Valencia. Tore is bloody awful. Nordveit ordinary. Feghouli I never saw the fuss when he was at Valencia. Zaza tbf Ive never really seen him. Same for Masuaku. Absolutely nothing to get excited about.
Even the ones that got away - Olsson, seriously?
Compare this to the last couple of windows when we signed Antonio, Song, Payet, Lanzini, ( ok, Jelavic too lol ).
Couple this up with the stadium move ( oppo players no longer fearing the Boleyn ), teams like Everton massively improving and I think we'll be lucky to hit top half.
Like I say, not a meltdown just an honest opinion of my take in the transfer market.
we were spoilt last year with Payet coming in.. song the previous season was a coup aswell
we have done solid work.. we have kept together a very good first XI and improved the back ups.
Ayew is outstanding. Him and payet played very well together and how can you turn your nose up at a player who scored 12 league goals last year? none of our team managed double figures in the league! not even Payet.
the left back we have brought in has been a nice find aswell.. can push cresswell all the way when both are fit
Bury Me @ The Boleyn wrote:Have been hearing this morning we're after a Callum Chambers loan? I would agree that we need a RB for depth, but I'm not sure Chambers is the answer...
If he starts it stifles Byram's development, if he doesn't he's a loan on higher wages that we don't really need.
Would rather bring in Debuchy because Byram can actually learn something for him, or sign another Championship RB like that fella from Wolves... either would be better than Chambers.
Why should we concern ourselves with Byrams devrlopment. That is what the development squad is for and from what I have seen of him this far, that is where he should be
Debuchy not in Wenger's plans...not even his shirt is available at the club's shop. Wants to stay in London too. Queue Bendtner-sized meltdown on here should Palace go in for him.
Zaza is a player at the current Italian champions (and champions league runners up)...that's surely a sign of quality and more than good enough for me. The season before last we picked up players like Sakho who were plying their trade in France's Ligue 2!
Once Zaza is confirmed it's imperative that we:
a) bring in a experienced and quality specialist RB who can rotate with Byram (and mentor) as required
b) ship out Valencia (not good enough) and Sakho (bad egg) asap in order to recoup some of the cash we've spent this window.
If we manage to do that I'll be very happy with our business this summer and we can re-appraise in January
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Firstly, Puff, I disagree regarding Byram. He's a little reckless at times (the Leeds in him shining through), but by and large he's been very good this year.
Secondly, do I really have to explain to you why we should be more concerned with developing our own players as opposed to other club's players that are the same age and around the same level in ability? That really needs explaining?
It's just like your banging the drum for us to loan in Rashford. Why on earth would we bring in and develop Rashford when we've already signed the bloke that kept him out of Man Utd's youth teams. The only explanation you've given here is "for the good of his England career", as far as I can tell...and that's no reason at all for us to bring in one of Man Utd's boys and help fix the latest JoMo youth mess.
Byram ain't going to be in the development squad he's good enough for the prem some of the **** on here at times, same crap when cress turned up and Antonio last season it gives me the hump
Why should we be concerned with Byrams development I've read some ridiculous things in here but that takes the prize
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sharphammer wrote:just think.... we sacrificed a Song... for a Nordtveit :cry:
I think that's a good point. When the wheels fell off a little bit last season we were missing Song, and we haven't replaced him. ... certainly not with Norveidt. Others have been upgraded, mainly in wide areas, but not there. ..... don't think we ever replaced Zárate either. Him and Song both did us some massive favours. Song was class and we're missing him especially without Payet and Lanzini.
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Song seems to get a free pass from a lot of people based on one beautiful through ball to Downing two years ago and one incident where he held off Yaya Toure last season...
Fact of the matter is, he was never worth the wages, between his fitness and his ability.
Bury Me @ The Boleyn wrote:Song seems to get a free pass from a lot of people based on one beautiful through ball to Downing two years ago and one incident where he held off Yaya Toure last season...
Fact of the matter is, he was never worth the wages, between his fitness and his ability.
I'm not going to ask again. Find one of the Song threads and discuss it in there. Any more Song posts will be deleted. They are not relevant to this thread.
Ozza wrote:Byram ain't going to be in the development squad he's good enough for the prem some of the **** on here at times, same crap when cress turned up and Antonio last season it gives me the hump
Why should we be concerned with Byrams development I've read some ridiculous things in here but that takes the prize
I just want the best we can get and not settle for less. I'm sorry, I don't agree with the other comments about him. He is, in my own opinion, distinctly average and I have not seen nothing from him yet that alters my opinion. In fact, the last Decent right back we had was Guy Demel and we gave not, as yet, filled his void
Apologies, DL. I thought maybe it was vaguely on topic because the question was whether or not Nordtveit was a worthy Song replacement (which is technically transfer talk, I suppose).
You won't hear me sing another Song in this thread.
