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As a Newham council tax payer I am glad that the new mayoress is calling the previous incumbent out over this .
He spunked £54 million of our hard earned on what can only be a vanity project.
There should be a full blown public enquiry but am not sure that the people of Newham have the appetite.
I see she is also going after the banks after the dodgy LOBO loans scam has come to light.
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Knighter10WHU wrote:Just reacting to Martin Samuel's piece in the mail and he is absolutely right. It is the best solution for all parties involved. Athletics moves to a smaller more suitable stadium in the middle of the country and we get the stadium for free or for a nominal cost and have to pay for any conversion costs in the future.
at the minute they are losing £10-£15m per year? it's crazy.
surely a deal can be done where they get a reasonable one off payment now and then a % of extra profit we make as result - this should be capped at an agreed amount which would mean in total we pay what would be a fair price on the day we moved in.
obviously we then need to spend on getting it fit for football as best as possible.
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Ben wrote:
"Knighter10WHU"- Just reacting to Martin Samuel's piece in the mail and he is absolutely right. It is the best solution for all parties involved. Athletics moves to a smaller more suitable stadium in the middle of the country and we get the stadium for free or for a nominal cost and have to pay for any conversion costs in the future.

at the minute they are losing £10-£15m per year? it's crazy.
surely a deal can be done where they get a reasonable one off payment now and then a % of extra profit we make as result - this should be capped at an agreed amount which would mean in total we pay what would be a fair price on the day we moved in.
obviously we then need to spend on getting it fit for football as best as possible.
This is certainly the sort of a deal that any prospective investors/buyers would be looking at down the line. It seems what seemed a long way off 18mths ago might just becoming into focus by the time that the Dave's are free to sell up. There is just no way it can pay for itself at the moment, Athletics is dying a death and only a substantial rebuild can turn it into a stadium both fit for football and host other self sustaining sports.
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This was always the plans, run it into the ground so much that they have to give us the stadium. Always was.
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hammers92 wrote:This was always the plans, run it into the ground so much that they have to give us the stadium. Always was.
I certainly think that this was the ultimate aim for them that as a bonus they were hoping for. Its why also that they will want to hang around for a while to take full advantage. The latest signs can only encourage them to wait things out until the right offer comes in at or beyond the end of those restrictive clauses. The fact that it is looking likely that the stadium can operate at anything other than a loss and likely an increasing one once wear and tear starts to bite, means that once it is politically possible and Olympic glory gone from peoples minds they will want to cut their loses and get rid.

The cost of turning this relative turd into a a venue fit for a range of activities that are not as now completely compromised is the only fly in the ointment for any new owner(s).
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44848750" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

London Stadium: Search for sponsor of West Ham's home costs nearly £450,000
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Ben wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44848750" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

London Stadium: Search for sponsor of West Ham's home costs nearly £450,000
The gift that keeps on giving...... :lol:
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Yankees v Red Sox next summer and why the London Stadium is not ideal for MLB :D
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Ben wrote:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44848750" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

London Stadium: Search for sponsor of West Ham's home costs nearly £450,000
I’m sure I was told that as we were nearer to Canary Wharf huge companies would be tripping over themselves to give “us” sponsorship money.
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James P wrote: I’m sure I was told that as we were nearer to Canary Wharf huge companies would be tripping over themselves to give “us” sponsorship money.
I remember hearing that must have been Sullivan

Did any big compaines get a box ?
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Not sure if any of you watched the athletics this week but it appeared to me the seating was left in football mode down the two straights. The long jump was held on a raised platform on the back straight and the seating curved to very close to the track on the home straight (covering the long jump runway).

I assume this saved a lot of time and money!
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dec7000 wrote:Not sure if any of you watched the athletics this week but it appeared to me the seating was left in football mode down the two straights. The long jump was held on a raised platform on the back straight and the seating curved to very close to the track on the home straight (covering the long jump runway).

I assume this saved a lot of time and money!
Pretty sure it was as it always is in Athletics mode. Corners taken out, front rows taken away from the straights and the stands behind the goal pushed back as far as they can go.
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HammerMan2004 wrote:Pretty sure it was as it always is in Athletics mode. Corners taken out, front rows taken away from the straights and the stands behind the goal pushed back as far as they can go.
I think before they moved the West Stand seats back, but this time they've left the bridges in place and just lopped off the corners.
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https://www.football.london/west-ham-un ... n-14940997" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Good article.
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Colours never run wrote:https://www.football.london/west-ham-un ... n-14940997" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Good article.

its a piss poor article, and the way its written its penned by Karren herself firing off the first salvo and using the press contacts the club have yet again, typical of our owners
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Colours never run wrote:https://www.football.london/west-ham-un ... n-14940997" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Good article.
A laughable piece , poorly written, poorly researched and so one sided as to be meaningless.

The simple facts are West Ham United have chosen - mainly due to the ego of their Vice Chair being bruised - to take legal proceedings against the LLDC and it's paymaster, the Mayor of London.

The stadium has thousands of empty seats every single home game that are nothing to do with those blocked off, and the club needs to address it's ticketing policy rather than engaging in further adversarial legal activities that will further harm the clubs long term reputation.

It's clear the club want control of a stadium they paid precious little towards conversion of and an inadequate amount towards the on-going running costs. They shouldn't be granted it.

The clubs VC would do well to remember the Mayors budget is £16bn - that's a pot of money that can fund a lot of lawyers. The Mayor is intelligent enough to know that the stadium is a non issue to the majority of his voters ,our Vice Chair lacks the smarts to grasp that.

Karren needs to wake up and realise she's not the smartest girl in the room and a period of humility may be more becoming of someone who sits in the Lords.While in the Lords Karren can of course pretend she is a politician, a bit like when she is on the telly she can pretend to be a "business woman", and while at the club can pretend she knows what she's doing there as well.

For her it's all pretend, for the likes of Sadiq Khan it's very real, and for Karren to fail to comprehend that the loss of the clubs key political ally in Sir Robin Wales was a warning signal shows her lack of smarts.

She needs to build bridges, make friends, but it's not her style, preferring to try and bulldoze her way through because she's the "great Karren Brady".

It may work, but somehow I doubt it. Either way, it's not a good look for her or the club.
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Colours never run wrote:https://www.football.london/west-ham-un ... n-14940997" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Good article.
Sadiq Khan = Cartoon villain to blame for all of poor West Ham London’s stadium woes
Barroness Brady = Only able to get 1 meeting with the cartoon villain in-between breaking our transfer record. Twice.

It’s an absolutely shocking semi official article.
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It’s an awful article. It seems to be simultaneously moaning that we need a bigger capacity whilst also moaning that too many people don’t turn up to games and there’s too many empty seats.

Was it written as a school project?
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Isn’t the real position that it is a fight not worth taking as if the Mayor saves the legal fees by accepting we can have an extra 5000 seats for most games only 4000 will turn up anyway and that is still less than the 57000 approval we already have given other no shows.

That said for me it is still amazing that we get crowds of 50,000 plus able to watch West Ham. I still remember the old Upton Park where if you got 40-42,000 you were squeezed in like a sardine can.
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Very biased article which barely touches on the key points ....

1 - We don't fill the ground now, our actual average attendance (not seats sold) is very different from the claimed number, we are not alone in this but we are also one of the worst for no-shows, here's a few examples -

West Ham v Astra in Europa League Official published attendance: 56,932 real attendance: 51,817 (5,097 did not turn up)
West Ham v Domzale in Europa League Official published attendance: 53,914 real attendance: 51,000 (2,914 did not turn up)
West Ham v Bournemouth Official published attendance: 56,977 real attendance: 52,192 (4,785 did not turn up)
West Ham v Southampton Official published attendance:56,864 Real attendance reported as: 47,000 (9,864 did not turn up)
West Ham v Middlesbrough Official published attendance:56,945 Real attendance reported as : 47,000 (9,945 did not turn up)

2 - Even if we win our court case to force the landlord / mayor to allow us to use the supposed 62,500 capacity we will still need new safety certificates .... The Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA) and Newham Council (who we shafted for 40m) are currently reviewing the 57,000 certificate and would need to approve the 62,500 certificate .... LLDC would have to provide evidence that they are able to handle the increased numbers (and we are currently suing them) ... so what chance?

3 - The very last thing the Mayor of London wants to be seen doing is giving more taxpayers money to West Ham ... it's a poisoned chalice ...

For the article to suggest that the legal issues are the Mayor's fault and that it would be easy for him to just magic them away .... frankly it's beyond stupid .... at present Ma Brady and Mr Khan have held one 10 minute meeting this year .... don't expect anything to happen anytime soon on this one ...
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