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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Jon on Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:37 pm

Samba - once UP was made all seater and the fans moved further from the action, football changed forever.

I guess I saw the move to the OS as another step to move us further away and sanitise the ‘product’ (yuk) even more.

I took all of GSB’s bluster with a spoonful of salt but yes the retractable seating did give me hope. Seeing the stadium shape though it was always a false dawn and wouldn’t help the upper tiers anyway.

I stayed quiet so no I didn’t protest officially. I saw the move more for younger fans many of whom know no different . What I gather from sons of friends who go they’re quite happy. My generation will always have the memories of the old UP. Somehow we have to try and create new memories for the kids taking our place.

Success on the pitch and a united fan base off it will do that.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby mushy on Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:43 pm

Jon wrote:Samba - once UP was made all seater and the fans moved further from the action, football changed forever.

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My seat five rows back was closer to the pitch then when I used to stand.
There was no significant increase in distance from the pitch when we went all seater.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby hadleighhammer on Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:44 pm

sutts07 wrote:On a much smaller scale, what you are saying is the equivalent of, it’s not worth putting an extension on your house or fitting a new kitchen and doing it up when you move in, because you can’t make any profit from it it’s all outlay, right? But people still do it because they want to improve the quality of their own home and they know that it all counts towards the resale value.


It's really not like someones own personal home kitchen though is it.

At best it's more like a landlord with a property that has a kitchen that does the job and comes up to code, his tenants signed a long-term lease, then they decide they would prefer a different design of kitchen but of course would see out the lease with it's current kitchen design as they're locked into it.

Why would a landlord bother when there is no ROI?
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Ben on Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:50 pm

as moving is probably almost impossible the first step should be moving out the athletics mob.
then sign a new deal paying more to be sole tenants and have full control of the place.

Or better still taking it over fully so we can start looking at options of making it better, I'd build a new stadium inside the bowl
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Colours never run on Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:57 pm

Ben wrote:
Or better still taking it over fully so we can start looking at options of making it better, I'd build a new stadium inside the bowl



I'm warming a lot to this idea. It'll solve a few problems, not only bringing stands closer to the pitch, but also meaning the possibility of having concealed Concourses from the elements once more.


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Anyone good with Paint? :D
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Duff on Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:21 pm

hadleighhammer wrote:
It's really not like someones own personal home kitchen though is it.

At best it's more like a landlord with a property that has a kitchen that does the job and comes up to code, his tenants signed a long-term lease, then they decide they would prefer a different design of kitchen but of course would see out the lease with it's current kitchen design as they're locked into it.

Why would a landlord bother when there is no ROI?


We're not the Landlord though, if you had a 99 year lease on your house, you'd do it up so you could enjoy it while you were there.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby sutts07 on Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:24 pm

James P wrote:The biggest mis-step here is to compare the stadium to a home. No one lives there. It is a business premises. It is a building that exists in order to generate revenue and to make money for the shareholders. If you want to use an analogy you should be comparing it to a factory, not a family home.

No one would spend hundreds of millions of pounds on a cosmetic face lift to a factory if it made absolutely no difference to productivity, or output, or costs or profit. That's what you're asking to be done to the Olympic Stadium. It's never going to happen.


Everyone saw the Boleyn as 'our home' so why wouldn't we feel the same pride around our new home IF it was revamped and made fit for purpose?

And of course businesses spend big on kitting out their offices and factories. Work places are having more spent on them than ever before because there is a direct coloration between an improved working environment, productivity and output.

What is to say that it wouldn't we worth a few extra points or an additional round in a cup or two if we made the stadium a tougher place to visit for away teams, a better environment for our own, a more intimidating and hostile place, a place we could call home??

I get that you are hacked off about the current state of play and cannot in any way see a remote possibility that one day our current site 'could' be turned into something pretty impressive with the right backing and vision. I can't fault anyone with that opinion at all, sadly that is the effect the current owners have had on us.

But the bottom line is, it could be done, that much you can't really dispute (although I am sure you will). We just need new owners with money and vision.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Nesticles on Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:34 pm

sutts07 wrote:We just need new owners with money and vision.


That we certainly do, but they would probably be more interested in other improvements that were within their control and financially made sense

I posted something a couple of pages back, but I strongly believe converting the stadium is sadly a non starter

The only hope would be owners with great wealth coming in, and out of the goodness of their hearts building a new stadium from scratch for the fans. That is possibility, but a fairytale scenario

We are almost certainly stuck in an irreversible nightmare when it comes to the stadium
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby mushy on Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:36 pm

sutts07 wrote:.

But the bottom line is, it could be done, that much you can't really dispute (although I am sure you will). We just need new owners with money and vision.

You need owners that are likely to want a return on a huge investment -which seems unlikely, where would they get their money back and profit?
Or new owners that throw money at the club Man City style with no intention of ever getting any of it back.
Even more unlikely.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby ornchurch ammer on Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:44 pm

Ben wrote:
I'd build a new stadium inside the bowl



This is actually an ironic idea as when asked by friends what the stadium was like after being in the upper tier for a rugby game I said "sitting in the upper tier is like sitting in a stadium watching a game taking place in another stadium" as it was so disconnected by the gaps between the tiers.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Samba on Thu Feb 22, 2018 6:29 pm

Ben wrote:as moving is probably almost impossible the first step should be moving out the athletics mob.
then sign a new deal paying more to be sole tenants and have full control of the place.
Or better still taking it over fully so we can start looking at options of making it better, I'd build a new stadium inside the bowl

I think Ben has the answer.
But not before GSB F*** RIGHT OFF.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Colours never run on Thu Feb 22, 2018 7:04 pm

What decent examples are there from around the world that have successfully achieved building up close to the pitch inside an athletics stadium?
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby hadleighhammer on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:08 pm

Duff wrote:We're not the Landlord though, if you had a 99 year lease on your house, you'd do it up so you could enjoy it while you were there.


The owners are though in Sutts analogy. Theyve basically bought a 99 year leasehold buy to let flat with a small annual maintenance fee and a (just about) functional kitchen. The supporters are the tenants paying the landlord GSBs profits on their buy to let.

I dont agree with the home/kitchen analogy, but only trying to make it closer reflect our situation regarding the need/desire for GSB or any future owners to invest in a new kitchen (ie there is no reason as there would be no ROI).
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Westbourne Bill on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:12 pm

I'm not even sure the pitch and the upper tier should share the same post code.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Kialos on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:51 pm

Sullivan and Brady have ensured that the relationship with the other stakeholders is toxic. That is a major issue and why there will be little if any progress whilst they are still around.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Colours never run on Fri Feb 23, 2018 3:47 am

Oh to be a fly on the wall whenever GSB discuss what's going on. I wonder how strained their relationships between the 3 are these days. You only have to see in the stadium they all sit well away from each other.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Kialos on Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:03 am

Thankfully although I am directly opposite to them where I sit in the East Stand it is so far away I can't see them. :D
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Samba on Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:52 am

Kialos wrote:Thankfully although I am directly opposite to them where I sit in the East Stand it is so far away I can't see them. :D

:D
You would with telescopic sights.
You know, for a water pistol..
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Hammerite on Sat Feb 24, 2018 5:24 am

Colours never run wrote:What decent examples are there from around the world that have successfully achieved building up close to the pitch inside an athletics stadium?


Doesn't matter CNR, the thing would still be on an island, in the middle of a desolate wasteland in Stratford.
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Re: Olympic Stadium Discussion and Questions

Postby Westbourne Bill on Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:24 am

Would digging down for a new pitch actually need to be any deeper than the current foundations of the stands?
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