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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Wilko1304 on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:19 pm

Quite untrue, you can definitely play as a winger (which is a role that can still be used tactically in a front three or a three behind a striker) with poor use of your weaker foot and many do on the right side anyway. He's also only 23 so can develop that.

I do think he could be fine in defence, but he looks such an asset going forward, and Cresswell is wonderful dovetailing as well, that I would rather we actually play him to his strengths. This is especially true given the lack of pace in this side and the impact Masuaku's pace is having.

Further to that, I think Cresswell's deep delivery is much better and having both would give us more varied threat and more angles to play from.

Cresswell's defending is also lazily lambasted often, when he is clearly much smarter in defence than Arthur and even showed so today.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Joyeux Marteau on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:20 pm

One of my favourite players at the moment, would like to see more please :scarfer:
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:23 pm

Wilko1304 wrote:Quite untrue, you can definitely play as a winger (which is a role that can still be used tactically in a front three or a three behind a striker) with poor use of your weaker foot and many do on the right side anyway. He's also only 23 so can develop that.

I do think he could be fine in defence, but he looks such an asset going forward, and Cresswell is wonderful dovetailing as well, that I would rather we actually play him to his strengths. This is especially true given the lack of pace in this side and the impact Masuaku's pace is having.

Further to that, I think Cresswell's deep delivery is much better and having both would give us more varied threat and more angles to play from.

Cresswell's defending is also lazily lambasted often, when he is clearly much smarter in defence than Arthur and even showed so today.


Unfortunately Creswell is a shadow of the player he once was. Poor both going forward and defending IMHO

Masuaka can be a great threat for us going forward from left back, similar to Rose was last year for Spurs, or from left wing back. We don't have to use another attacking position up to accomodate him
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby bubbles1966 on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:25 pm

Discussing Masuaku's and Cresswells defending is the epitome of two bald blokes fighting over a comb.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby simon1982 on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:30 pm

Right now he needs to start games, he gives us balance and can get us up the pitch.
The manager needs to pick a system and stick with it.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby hammer1975 on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:33 pm

bubbles1966 wrote:Discussing Masuaku's and Cresswells defending is the epitome of two bald blokes fighting over a comb.


Shame no one spent most of the summer posting about needing a left back..... :wink:

...and a defensive mid

I still haven't got over not signing Mbodji for that matter either
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Puff Daddy on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:37 pm

simon1982 wrote:Right now he needs to start games, he gives us balance and can get us up the pitch.
The manager needs to pick a system and stick with it.


100% :thup: It really is as simple as that. Antonio on the right, Arnie on the left, with Arthur behind at LB (he can overlap all he likes) with Hernandez and Sakho up top and that's it. There you go
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:40 pm

Like your style Puff.
Has Arthur ever had a run of games playing LB? Not manym this season he was the scapegoat for the man U game.
He tackles well, is half decent in the air and can distribute. A bit of work on his positioning with the CBs and he woukd be a decent attacking left back
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby MD_HM on Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:45 pm

Masuaku has come on and played left wing the last two games

He has been our best left winger this season on that basis... or done more than the others in less time

His attributes seem to favour left wing

We are crying out for someone that can keep the ball, beat players, carry the ball forward and cross the ball and create from the left wing

Not sure it's Cresswell he should be replacing at left back

I'd be starting him left wing next game and Arnautovic can wait given what he has done so far.

With the cup game there is plenty of game time anyway
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby woodywoody on Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:33 am

brilliant attacking left back , his positioning and knowing when to defend have kept him out of the team.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Up the Junction on Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:42 am

Wingers? Arthur, left, youngest Sam the other side. Maybe, maybe not.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby kayahammer on Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:54 am

If he's not on the wing, I'd have him over Cresser.

He is naturally gifted :thup:
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby thejackhammer on Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:39 am

He's been our best winger this season, two assists in two off the bench as well.

Feel he may do a Gareth Bale and move forward as his career goes on. Excellent strike against Bolton as well. I think France will regret him representing Congo in the future.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Phil S on Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:02 am

bubbles1966 wrote:Discussing Masuaku's and Cresswells defending is the epitome of two bald blokes fighting over a comb.


lesser of two evils..he's a better defender, tackler, passer and he'll take his man on. imo
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Diogenes on Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:04 am

Like Byram, Masuaku is primarily a wing back, played best with a central 3. Reduces defensive deficiencies whilst maximising attacking attributes. Ironically, its also probably Antonio,s best position (with the same setup).
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby uptonparkhurst on Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:22 am

All IMO of course, but I think Masuaku (like Antonio) doesn't have a defender's safety-first instinct: he will often lose the ball in trying to wriggle down the line. This is fine if he's in the last third with a proper full-back behind him but highly dangerous otherwise. I'd play him in front of Cresswell. Ayew has been pants, so give Arfur a go: twice now he's been the provider for quality goals - what more does he have to do to start?
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:41 am

Yesterday was the first time all season that we have played with 'wingers'.

No other team that plays with a front three has one that exclusively plays on the flank slinging crosses in. The front three interchange and play narrow. In the case of Spurs, Ericsson and Dele very rarely go wide.
If you play Masuaku as a left forward then it will reduce attacking threat as he doesnt have the all round game.

He is a very good threat from the flank so play him as an attacking left back or a wing back where he can get down the line and deliver crosses, wihout using up the space of a more all round specialist attacker. Just because someone can cross a ball does not make them a forward player.

Think of a danny rose, or how Valencia plays for man u (albeit the other side). Ryan Bertrand is also an example of an attacking left back who provides great delivery from wide areas, ditto Gael Clichy or sagna in their pomp. In fact Bacary Sagna is the player who most resembles Masuaku and no one would ever think of playing him as a forward

People keep talking about his poor defensive work, but what errors has he actually made? He is a perfectly servicable left back from a defensive point of view, just needs a tweak here and there with his positioning. As a left wing back he is ideal (if he is given licence to get forward)

The main advantage vs Cresswell is he can beat a man and is much better and getting the ball from back to front. All Cresswell can do is smash it down the flank or cross it from deep.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby uptonparkhurst on Sun Oct 01, 2017 11:53 am

Crouchy,
I wasn't suggesting playing him up front. He is quick and "enthusiastic" in the tackle, and has the energy to be an up-and-down wide midfielder a la Steve Coppell. I honestly think he is a liability at left back and if he plays lwb then I sincerely hope he has Winston behind him and not Ogbonna or Fonte or Collins.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Korea Hammer on Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:25 pm

I am Lawro wrote:He's been brilliant whenever he's been called upon this season.


He's done really well in the last couple, off the bench, especially attacking, but he was abysmal and rightfully dropped at the beginning of the season after our first two thrashings.

I like him a lot but I'm not sure he's a defender at this level.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Ifebbubbles on Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:28 pm

If its a choice between Arnie and Arthur on the left wing there is only 1 winner. Arthur is lightning with the ball when he hits his stride.
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