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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby westhamlinnet on Wed May 15, 2019 9:26 am

We would be mad to get rid of Arthur he is excellent going forward works well with Anderson is a good age spurs know what they are doing probably thinking they can get him on cheap. Get rid of cresswell older becoming injury prone and poor since injury and doesn't like a tackle
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby thejackhammer on Wed May 15, 2019 9:49 am

Remember when Arthur was banned for 6 games and we were absolutely useless until he came back and we hit form again.

Hes our best left back, probably the best one we've had for a while.
Makes more tackles than anyone other than Anderson, has pace, is a fantastic dribbler, and suits our style much more than Cresswell who hasn't been consistently decent since Payet, other than a brief spell as centre back.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby ironilunga on Wed May 15, 2019 10:08 am

Not sure I can recall a player who has swung so wildly in and out of favour with fans and the club. I am sure at different times fans have valued him at anything between zero and 20+ mil.

I personally think he is a rough diamond who at 24 has a bit more time to iron out the kinks before he hits his peak. Would be sods law if we sold him now and then he really pushes on.

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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby YorksHammer on Wed May 15, 2019 11:26 am

ironilunga wrote:Not sure I can recall a player who has swung so wildly in and out of favour with fans and the club. I am sure at different times fans have valued him at anything between zero and 20+ mil.

I personally think he is a rough diamond who at 24 has a bit more time to iron out the kinks before he hits his peak. Would be sods law if we sold him now and then he really pushes on.

Keep


Keep him a hundred percent. He's been our best left back for two season - just (like the rest of the team) struggles for consistency. People scapegoat him because of one or two incidents, in my opinion.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby The Old Man of Storr on Wed May 15, 2019 11:43 am

LeonRivers wrote:He’d be a sensation at a club with a very good defensive midfield. I actually really like him. The silly concentration mistakes can be coached out of him, and will happen less frequently if we can improve our defensive midfield anyway.



Agree -

Sign a good mobile DM to cover the back 4 so that Arthur can go and do his stuff upfield , Masuaku , like Antonio has come on in leaps and bounds under Pellegrini .

KEEP .
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Cockneyboy311 on Wed May 15, 2019 1:32 pm

2 months ago i would have said sell the useless fecker but now i'm not so sure. He does seem to have improved a fair bit of late. His technical ability has always been excellent its just his concentration levels that let him down. At 24 he's still young ( i thought he was late 20's!) and we've got a Manager who can improve him defensively. I'd say keep now, but sell Cresswell. I think he's finished at Prem level now, due to that bad injury.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby LeonRivers on Wed May 15, 2019 1:37 pm

I’d happily keep Cresswell as cover, unless a profit can be made bringing in a comparable replacement.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby claretnblueglasses on Wed May 15, 2019 3:35 pm

He is very much a mystery. He seems to either have a horror show where he can’t do anything right or an absolute blinder. The last five or so games he was definitely in the latter category.

I do really like him as a player despite his inconsistency, and would happily keep him and give him the chance to prove himself for a full season, because his qualities are obvious to see.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby thejackhammer on Wed May 15, 2019 3:38 pm

Even his 'horror shows' are massively over played.

It's an easy and lazy criticism to find a way to blame him for a goal we concede. His stats make him one of our better defenders, his pace and skill is there for all to see, and he can get to the byline and put in a decent cross. Pellegrini wants pacey, attacking fullbacks, one better than Masuaku will put us back at least £20 million.

I'd rather spend that money up front and in central midfield.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby wivenhoetim on Wed May 15, 2019 4:40 pm

thejackhammer wrote:Even his 'horror shows' are massively over played.

It's an easy and lazy criticism to find a way to blame him for a goal we concede. His stats make him one of our better defenders, his pace and skill is there for all to see, and he can get to the byline and put in a decent cross. Pellegrini wants pacey, attacking fullbacks, one better than Masuaku will put us back at least £20 million.

I'd rather spend that money up front and in central midfield.


^^^ x2.
The guy just needs to curb his enthusiasm a little, maker better decisions as an end product, be more and get cover from a decent DM.when he attacks... Unpredictable yes, but no way would I want to see him leave. Actually really rate him.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby HammerAl on Wed May 15, 2019 4:56 pm

Get another solid DM alongside Rice and I'm happy with Fredericks & Masuaku as fullbacks next season. Masuaku is a very good football player and our record signing plays MUCH better when he is in the team. I also think the team as a whole play better with him in the team, too.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Rocketron on Wed May 15, 2019 6:12 pm

ironilunga wrote:Not sure I can recall a player who has swung so wildly in and out of favour with fans and the club. I am sure at different times fans have valued him at anything between zero and 20+ mil.

I personally think he is a rough diamond who at 24 has a bit more time to iron out the kinks before he hits his peak. Would be sods law if we sold him now and then he really pushes on.

Keep

Carlton Cole leaps to mind.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Colours never run on Wed May 15, 2019 7:14 pm

Definitely sell if he's only to be considered as a left back still. He's a woeful Defender who constantly needs his arse wiped for him by others when covering and although sometimes good going forward, those rare moments don't paper over the cracks of his defensive deficiencies. Get a good offer, I'd sell and replace him with someone who is a specialist left back.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby thejackhammer on Thu May 16, 2019 12:59 am

Colours never run wrote:Definitely sell if he's only to be considered as a left back still. He's a woeful Defender who constantly needs his arse wiped for him by others when covering and although sometimes good going forward, those rare moments don't paper over the cracks of his defensive deficiencies. Get a good offer, I'd sell and replace him with someone who is a specialist left back.


Please elaborate of these defensive frailties as Patito and I have asked many to and no one has.
Also, which 'specialist' left back would you replace him with?
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Thu May 16, 2019 7:39 am

thejackhammer wrote:
Please elaborate of these defensive frailties as Patito and I have asked many to and no one has.
Also, which 'specialist' left back would you replace him with?


It is a prime example of herd mentality when it comes to Masuaku. A couple of people say he has made loads of mistakes and all of a sudden it is fact, despite minimal evidence

Same thing happened with Antonio. All of a sudden he had a bad attitude

Specialist left backs who are defenders first don't really exist anymore. Masuaku is no worse defending than a host of other full backs who people cream over, Wan Bissaka being a prime example
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Xabbu on Thu May 16, 2019 7:43 am

His only real weakness in my eyes is his defensive positional awareness, which I grant you for a defender is a bit of an issue. This can and is being coached from what I can see but he will always have trouble against certain opposition as do the whole team. Love watching him play and for me that’s massively important. Selling him would be ridiculous business.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Burnley Hammer on Thu May 16, 2019 7:54 am

I think he's done perfectly ok defensively since he's come back in the side. He commits himself to the tackle more than Cresswell which makes him look bad when it doesn't come off... but also means he's more likely to nullify an attack down that side. He gets caught upfield as does Cresswell but that's due to the role he has to play. I'm pretty sure that they have instructions from the manager to get forward when they can. Cresswells tactic of backing off, backing off, backing off, then trying to block the cross at the byline was getting a bit frustrating to watch - especially as we're so bad at defending from corners! Masuaku is a bit more proactive... he'll get out there and try and get his foot in before the winger can progress any further.

Aside from his defending, I think him and Fredericks are a massive part of why we looked better at the end of the season. Masuaku is involved in the passing a lot and his influence on our overall game shouldn't be underestimated. He's been one of the few that's been making us tick recently. He hasn't always been like that but I'm hoping that, along with Antonio and Noble, he can carry his form on into the new season.
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby hammerman11 on Thu May 16, 2019 8:26 am

pelle seems to be finally getting through to him. he is 24 has pace, can beat players and tackle. his one downside is positioning but hopefully now Balbuena is back and with DM reinforcements coming , masuaka will get better and better

keep Arthur get a new LB in for competition and sell cresswell for around 8-10m .
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Thu May 16, 2019 8:37 am

Burnley Hammer wrote:
Aside from his defending, I think him and Fredericks are a massive part of why we looked better at the end of the season. Masuaku is involved in the passing a lot and his influence on our overall game shouldn't be underestimated. He's been one of the few that's been making us tick recently. He hasn't always been like that but I'm hoping that, along with Antonio and Noble, he can carry his form on into the new season.


It is interesting that Liverpool and Manchester City both play with attacking full backs but in very different ways.

Because Liverpool's front three play very central, Robertson and TAA's role is simply to bomb forward without the ball, provide the overlap and cross. They don't have to be that skillful as they don't carry the ball that much.

At Manchester City the full backs don't cross the ball much, but are still attacking. Their role is to play as auxiliary wide midfielders rather than wingers.They are involved in the build up of getting the ball forward and often drift inside to help the central midfielders. The attacking width is still provided by Sterling/ Sane/ Mahrez etc

I think Pelle's prefers us to play more like Manchester City which is why he likes the technical ability of Masuaku to link up play. His touch and close control in tight spaces is very good indeed and he has pace to beat a man. Cresswell can deliver a cross when he has plenty of time to set himself, but the rest of his game from an attacking sense is limited - he would probably do well at Liverpool because crossing is pretty much all the full backs are asked to do
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Re: Arthur Masuaku

Postby hammerman11 on Thu May 16, 2019 8:46 am

Arthur gets caught out a few times when he has ogbonna next to him and the fact that our midfield is too slow and weak to cover for him. only rice can do it and he cant be everywhere. get a new DM in and he will be fine.


fabianski

fredericks diop Balbuena masuaka

rice new DM hayden ?

arnautovic lanzini Anderson

Gomez ?

subs new GK, new LB , marzipan ?noble Antonio wilshere new CF yarmolenko

That looks a nice team with plenty of options on the bench. perhaps need one more CF, rondon for around 15m maybe ?
we would also have zabaleta Johnson ogbonna sanchez diagana silva Holland Coventry to fill in.
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