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Re: WHUISA - WHU Independent Supporters Association #WHUISA

Postby mushy on Tue May 30, 2017 5:57 pm

So, to repeat a well worn question and one that I havent seen answered as yet..
Has the appalling state of the migration been bought up, if so, what was the response please?
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Postby Big George on Tue May 30, 2017 7:15 pm

mushy wrote:So, to repeat a well worn question and one that I havent seen answered as yet..
Has the appalling state of the migration been bought up, if so, what was the response please?


What do you mean precisely?

The move last year?
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Postby mushy on Tue May 30, 2017 10:19 pm

Big George wrote:
What do you mean precisely?

The move last year?

Well er ....yes.
I thought the initial intentions for the WHUISA were to discuss (among other things) the Hammers Supporters Club (which was closed the other lunchtime when I was there by the way), and the appalling way some season ticket holders had been treated and were still being treated as regards the migration to the new ground?
Maybe I got that wrong then, though it was mentioned several times.
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Postby leveller on Tue May 30, 2017 10:32 pm


Thanks.
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Postby Big George on Tue May 30, 2017 10:40 pm

mushy wrote:Well er ....yes.
I thought the initial intentions for the WHUISA were to discuss (among other things) the Hammers Supporters Club (which was closed the other lunchtime when I was there by the way), and the appalling way some season ticket holders had been treated and were still being treated as regards the migration to the new ground?
Maybe I got that wrong then, though it was mentioned several times.


The HSC is live issue and PC Hammer is very involved in that. It's very complicated and he will update you when he can but he's on it.

Migration, nothing can be done for past issues but we're really interested to see what happens with the seat relocations.

When we met with the club earlier this month, they confirmed that there won't be any large scale migration to create a singing area, family area etc. They won't force people out of seats they are happy to create areas
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Re: WHUISA - WHU Independent Supporters Association #WHUISA

Postby mushy on Wed May 31, 2017 7:57 am

Thanks Big George.
So no family area still? Thats poor in my opinion.

One other thing, who decides the agenda at the SAB meetings?
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Postby brooking_1980 on Wed May 31, 2017 9:35 am

I just saw this on the page of a well known Twitter account:

"Good of the club to wait on the Medical Announcement for you to publish your column first EX... another exclusive...."

That's what I am alluding to that the club will pander around particular Twitters/Youtubers, putting important announcements second to their favourite Social Media players status. Honestly, if this was Manchester United, do you think they'd let some kids distribute important information like that. Actually in their case, it would be illegal as they are floated, but you get my drift.

The Kumb 10-point plan was a great piece where everyone thought about it and took it to the club. If they would just focus on making it right for the supporters, rather than the Social Media people, that would be progress.
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Re: WHUISA - WHU Independent Supporters Association #WHUISA

Postby Big George on Wed May 31, 2017 12:25 pm

mushy wrote:Thanks Big George.
So no family area still? Thats poor in my opinion.

One other thing, who decides the agenda at the SAB meetings?


We have created our own family area by virtue of having 16 seats with 10 kids but two fellas turned up three games into the season and clearly hate children.

I checked with the ticket office next year and they have renewed and haven't asked for a move. I suspect something will go badly wrong at some point next year

As for the SAB agenda, we submit items but the club decide.

message mywhufc as he went last time and will know more.
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Postby mushy on Wed May 31, 2017 9:50 pm

Ok and many thanks.
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Postby Big George on Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:09 pm

When WHUISA went to the Premier League

George attended the FSF meeting at the Premier League HQ on 24th April.
This was for all official Premier League affiliates if the FSF (of which
WHUISA is the West Ham one). Apologies for the late report, the minutes have only just
arrive, you can read them here.

http://www.whuisa.org/uncategorized/pre ... -25042107/

This is a bit of commentary on what George took away from the meeting that
may be of most interest to WHUISA members and interesting debating points.

We met with various Premier League executives including Richard Scudamore
and Bill Bush. We were warmly welcome by the other PL FSF reps. There was
lots of valuable advice and support from PL FSF reps and the PL itself for
WHUISA to keep pushing for a proper fan engagement programme. In order to
be an affiliate of the FSF you have to be a democratic, representative
organisation. If you want know more the FSF you can find it here
http://www.fsf.org.uk/about-us/

In terms of the future engagement between FSF affiliates and PL clubs the
PL said this “The Premier League will consider issuing a guidance note
after reviewing PL club practice from this season, plus the impact of the
approach taken by EFL and its clubs.”

FIXTURES TV etc
We had a presentation by Mark Annett, Head of Football Operations on
Fixtures which basically said there was not much room for manoeuvre. UEFA
taking extra weeks for champions League has stuffed everything so we will
end up with some daft midweek/holiday fixtures. BT/Sky have their say as
do the clubs, police and “other stakeholders”. (ie Westfield)

One of the most interesting things was that the clubs Supporters Liaison
Officers have a schedule of when TV matches are going to be announced and
should share this with the fans so that we know when to book tickets etc.
It means we can avoid the situation where hotels/planes/trains are booked
before TV dates are announced. Many were left out of pocket by the move by
the move of the Spurs & Liverpool fixtures. We have asked Jake Heath,
West Ham’s Head SLO about this but we are yet to receive a reply.

AWAY TRAVEL
Several clubs provide subsidised travel for difficult away trips. Arsenal
put on coaches at a tenner a go on for their Easter Monday night game at
Boro. Steve Parrish did something similar for Palace at Everton on a
Friday night. Chelsea & Spurs offer very cheap train tickets back to
London if there not reasonable public transport back to London. £10 return
Leicester was mentioned. I don’t think West Ham take part in anything like
this? Is there a demand? Would you want us to ask about this?

In other news, Away fans will hopefully have at least one block pitchside
at all away grounds next year. (Hello Newcastle!)

DISABILITY ACCESS
There’s a big debate about disability access at all grounds. The Premier
League will send a report to Equalities and Human Rights Commission later
in 2017. There was particular concern over how non wheelchair using
disabled fans are treated. If you need to contact the West Ham disability
access officer she’s called Julie Pigeon and she can be reached on
accessibility@westhamunited.co.uk

SAFE STANDING/GROUND CAPACITY
The Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA) are looking to push a small
amount of safe standing through but the Premier League think the other
side of that is that they will push much stricter enforcement of seating
in other areas. There will be a PL report on safe standing next year. How
this affects the London Stadium is unknown.
Safety Advisory Groups (SAGs) are getting a lot more aggressive when
pushing the boundaries of what constitutes "safety" when it comes to
imposing conditions on kick off times, alcohol bans etc. This will involve
taking a view on language, abuse etc. It may have an impact on the
capacity at the OS (and all grounds tbf).

BRIGHTON
Di Cunningham from “Pride in Football” spoke about concerns over
Brighton's promotion next year. They will be playing a lot of clubs for
the first time next season and want to reduce the risk of any unfortunate
incidents. WHUISA has contacted “Pride of Irons” and suggested we ask the
club to get a message out there about homophobic bullying and engage with
fans. We do it for anti-Semitism when we play Spurs. We should do it for
homophobia when we play Brighton. This is going to be a big deal next
year, landscape has changed since we last played we should make sure we're
on the right side of this. We will approach the club about this after
chatting to PoI.

These FSF/PL meetings are very useful, you can find out what other clubs
are doing the current thnking on fans issues from the horse mouth at the
Premier League.

We hope to be back there in October
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Postby Alan Pardew's Dad on Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:28 pm

Thanks for taking the time to attend and write that all up, George. A good read and nice to hear how the hot topics are viewed by the PL. Much appreciated.
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Postby Big George on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:10 pm

Alan Pardew's Dad wrote:Thanks for taking the time to attend and write that all up, George. A good read and nice to hear how the hot topics are viewed by the PL. Much appreciated.

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Postby PC Hammer on Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:26 pm

Over the close season WHUISA will be attending some high profile events on behalf of our members.

The first is the following to which we have been invited.

The Met Police are holding an end of season review with regard to policing football in the capital. In the words of Sgt Dave Hines of the of the Football Unit the aim of the meeting is so...

"...that we can debrief any issues/concerns that supporters may have experienced this season. This is not a ‘tick in the box’ event, it is a genuine attempt to listen to the views of supporters so that we can work through any issues before the start of next season..."

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The second is the FSF football summit followed by the FSF AGM held over the weekend of 1/2 July at St. Georges Park in Burton.

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WHUISA will continue to work for the fans best interests and now have direct contact with our famous football club. From acorns as they say....

WHUISA would also like to advertise an afternoon at the Hammers Supporters Club (yes it is still open - bit more of that later) this Saturday from 2pm - 6pm where over 600 inscribed bricks from the old ground have been recovered. If you spot your brick and are able to prove you own it // who your are you may take it away. A small donation is politely requested for the Bobby Moore Cancer research Fund run by Donna and Jonjo.

WHUISA Interim Committee.
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Postby PC Hammer on Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:14 pm

mushy wrote:So, to repeat a well worn question and one that I havent seen answered as yet..
Has the appalling state of the migration been bought up, if so, what was the response please?


Further to George's earlier post the club cannot now set up large scale singing areas or family only areas as they have given each season ticket holder the right to renew their ticket in their seat. By not getting it right at the initial migratory session they have left themselves between a rock and hard place. The absence of a family section was a mistake which cannot be rectified easily. Maybe they should look at changing the regulations for next season in advance to pave the way for a family seating area. People in the allocated area who do not have an U16 with them should be offered first dibs at relocating for next season and then we can begin to make a dedicated family section.

With about 5,000 seats now 'spare' due to non renewal they are in the process of allocating people who have requested a move first by renewing on day 1 of the process. However not all fans will get what they wanted and may be left in the seat they do not want for another season - cue disgruntlement. .

We can only hope that those non-renewed places in the BML and other areas such as block 113 / 114 / 141 and other others as well as the STBL go to fans who want to stand / sing.

We shall have to wait and see.
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Postby leveller on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:55 pm

PC Hammer wrote:Further to George's earlier post the club cannot now set up large scale singing areas or family only areas as they have given each season ticket holder the right to renew their ticket in their seat.

I can't see any reason why they can't redesignate the BML and block 112-114 as "singing" areas seeing as everyone already stands up in these blocks. Furthermore there are several blocks in the TBL that aren't currently on sale to ST holders, they could have that as a singing area. These exact points have been made on here about 1000 times and I think if the club wanted singing areas they'd soon work out how to do it instead of making excuses as to why they can't do it.

PC Hammer wrote:We can only hope that those non-renewed places in the BML and other areas such as block 113 / 114 / 141 and other others as well as the STBL go to fans who want to stand / sing.

A friend who has renewed in block 127 has told me that he managed to get moved to 113 and the club told him a lot of 127 have moved there, which is obviously good news if true.
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Postby leveller on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:05 pm

Big George wrote:SAFE STANDING/GROUND CAPACITY
The Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA) are looking to push a small
amount of safe standing through but the Premier League think the other
side of that is that they will push much stricter enforcement of seating
in other areas.

It's very good news that there might finally be safe standing in some stadiums but if they want to eradicate standing in seated areas there needs to be enough standing accommodation to meet the demand for it, which means more than just a couple of thousand for the home fans only in a 50-60,000 stadium. If the demand is met, there won't be any need for enforcement. If it isn't met there will still be standing in seated areas whether they like it or not. I hope they have the sense to see this or it's pointed out to them.
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Re: WHUISA - WHU Independent Supporters Association #WHUISA

Postby mushy on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:27 pm

Big George wrote:
AWAY TRAVEL
Several clubs provide subsidised travel for difficult away trips. Arsenal
put on coaches at a tenner a go on for their Easter Monday night game at
Boro. Steve Parrish did something similar for Palace at Everton on a
Friday night. Chelsea & Spurs offer very cheap train tickets back to
London if there not reasonable public transport back to London. £10 return
Leicester was mentioned. I don’t think West Ham take part in anything like
this? Is there a demand? Would you want us to ask about this?


Yes there is a massive demand, they treat the away supporters as badly as they treat home supporters.
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Postby Kialos on Fri Jun 02, 2017 6:46 pm

BUT read my post a page or so back re the problems there now are with the official club coaches which would be what the club would push as it is cheaper for them.

Arranging subsidised train tickets would be great or even charter trains. They could set up a car share exchange. There are plenty of things the club could do but choose not to and instead have worsened what little they did do.

You only have to see how the club tried to shaft the travelling hammers with the PL away fund money and the owners not supporting the £30 cap on away ticket prices to know what their views on us are.

Cue the usual suspects to come onto the thread and accuse loyal away fans of wanting the club to fail Zzzzzzzz.
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Postby mushy on Sat Jun 03, 2017 9:23 am

Kialos,
Yes I read your post as regards our away support and I agree with everything you say.
I used the club coaches for the Burnley game and its as you describe it, the walk to South Lawn is both long and unnecessary. There were two coaches laid on, both were about two thirds full.
The coaches are adequate I would say, nothing more.
Only did it because there didnt seem to be any alternative at the time.
There has to be a better way, the coach stop in Stratford Broadway is an alternative and seems more sensible but you still have the issue with parking.
There seems to have been no thought whatsoever put into any of this, our club continually lets its fans down on so many different levels. If there isnt money to be made or a chance to get themselves in the papers, then they just dont care.
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Postby Kialos on Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:50 pm

Only 2 coaches 2/3rd full for last away game of the season. That's shocking. Says it all.

Stratford Broadway is a possibility, at least close to the central line which is 24 hrs so I guess there is scope to park at the tube station on route? Not sure of the safeness parking at the Stratford Centre multi Storey, (not sure if 24 hrs either)
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