Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Romford on Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:09 pm

I wonder how many times Chelsea have scored with their first chance ?

This is something we really need to look at....every other team has scored with their first attack against us Headbanger
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby hammers92 on Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:09 pm

The period of Ronaldo hitting form they were but in his last 2/3 seasons they were functional, hard to beat and got the job done when turning up to places that threw the kitchen sink at them.

They wasn't great to watch in his last season at all, but found a way to win
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Romford on Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:11 pm

hammers92 wrote:The period of Ronaldo hitting form they were but in his last 2/3 seasons they were functional, hard to beat and got the job done when turning up to places that threw the kitchen sink at them.

They wasn't great to watch in his last season at all, but found a way to win


I can't think of too many times when the Mancs at home wasn't the best away performance of the season at the Boleyn....you defo wouldn't say that about this Chelsea team.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby aaronhammer on Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:15 pm

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Leicester aside, it's about winning at the top and being successful every season. Clubs like ours who don't compete there have more room to manoeuvre in how we choose to play and style. It's all about winning with the big clubs, nothing else.


Whilst I don't disagree in the main, when you look at Man City both their title wins were with attractive football. Arsenal's title wins under Wenger too were very pleasing on the eye (sorry Romford).

When you look in Europe, despite the leagues being less competitive than the Premier League, Bayern/Dortmund/Real Madrid/Barcelona on the whole are good to watch, and when you look at how they now do in Europe compared to the English teams in the past few seasons, perhaps it is the difference in style?
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Romford on Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:18 pm

aaronhammer wrote:
Whilst I don't disagree in the main, when you look at Man City both their title wins were with attractive football. Arsenal's title wins under Wenger too were very pleasing on the eye (sorry Romford).

When you look in Europe, despite the leagues being less competitive than the Premier League, Bayern/Dortmund/Real Madrid/Barcelona on the whole are good to watch, and when you look at how they now do in Europe compared to the English teams in the past few seasons, perhaps it is the difference in style?


I'd say over the past 20 years...the Mancs or Goons have been the best team we've played in 90% of the seasons in the last 2 decades.

No need to apologise mate
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby hammer1975 on Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:26 pm

Perhaps it's become an era of athletes over skill. Teams that physically grind out results seem to have become all the rage. Ref's allowing all the little stuff not helped with that, the 'big six' are in a class of their own for sharing around little trips to break counters early when they play against teams like us.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Gep on Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:34 pm

I'm sure it's Conte's way just for this season. But I'll judge him on the next one. At Juve he actually played good football.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby sendô on Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:43 pm

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And credit to Conte, making players like Sideshow and Cahill look like solid defenders is a feat in itself.

3 at the back, it works for the same reason 4-4-2 worked for Leicester last season - Kante covers so much ground he can have one less player going forward. Alonso and Moses are important players in that system too.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Romford on Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:29 pm

sendô wrote:3 at the back, it works for the same reason 4-4-2 worked for Leicester last season - Kante covers so much ground he can have one less player going forward. Alonso and Moses are important players in that system too.


Kante does defo give an extra man...and must be the buy of the season along with Ibra (and they didn't buy him)
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Romford on Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:32 pm

hammer1975 wrote:Perhaps it's become an era of athletes over skill. Teams that physically grind out results seem to have become all the rage. Ref's allowing all the little stuff not helped with that, the 'big six' are in a class of their own for sharing around little trips to break counters early when they play against teams like us.


Well said mate...the skill of fouling which is not given is laughable right now. Goes along with the pressurising the ref malarkey.

Drinkwater yesterday got warned yesterday then did another trip within 10 seconds and didn't get booked. Whats the point ???

Then when he does yet another foul he only gets a booking when he should of been off.

Game management for one is awful reffing to another.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby StevePottsGoalsReel on Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:52 pm

Romford wrote:You think Fergie's sides weren't entertaining ?


That final Fergie title side had to be one of the worst ever champion teams, in terms of both quality and performances. Van Persie was on fire all season, but the rest of the squad was falling to pieces and desperately reliant on one last hurrah from Giggs, Scholes, Vidic, Rio, etc. to cover up the Phil Jones-esque **** they had brought in. Bebe anyone? He'd rank up there with even our worst signings and that's saying something! Any other manager would have been struggling to get them into Europe that year, let alone champions - as Moyes, LVG and Mourinho have done a great job of proving since then.

All his other title wins though? Yep, definitely very entertaining/menacing depending on whether we were playing against them or not. Ashamed to say that throughout most of the Fergie era I'd have happily taken a 1-0 defeat at Old Trafford each season - we always seemed to be on the brink of a hiding there.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby vietnammer on Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:34 pm

Romford wrote:I can't remember a game when they have dominated anything....


:eh: Can hardly say watched all their games, or any apart from MOTD, but looking through their results the number of times they've won by two or more (5 v Everton) and kept a clean sheet home and away sort of tells another story. Sure the likes of Liverpool, Arsenal (who thumped them) and Citeh have been below par which has given them a huge lead but surely not effing up is part of the game too, and they haven't very often. Worst ever winners? Nah.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Believer on Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:52 pm

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Costa is all about giving it then going down when he gets retaliated on...very much in the Mark Hughes mode when he was at Chelsea.



Yes - the irony in Hughes' comments were hilarious. The annoying thing is that if we had a striker like Costa he'd be classed as the devil of the league and be sent off most weeks. We actually desperately miss a "Nolan" to toughen us up. We have no leaders or "horrible" players
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Tristan Shout on Sun Mar 19, 2017 7:59 pm

Premiership football is terrible, money has ruined it, too many mid to lower sides just play not to lose as being in the premiership is worth too much, they kick their opponents off the pitch, then chase the referee around trying to gain any tiny advantage, how about putting as much effort into actually trying to play decent football?
Fair play and sportsmanship have gone right out the window,
The teams that have mastered the dark arts will do the best, players at the smaller clubs are too powerful, you can't afford to drop a player who is worth a good transfer fee
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Romford on Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:02 pm

Comes down to it when the English players are worse at it than the foreign players

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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby hammer1975 on Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:20 pm

Romford wrote:Drinkwater yesterday got warned yesterday then did another trip within 10 seconds and didn't get booked. Whats the point ???

Then when he does yet another foul he only gets a booking when he should of been off.

Game management for one is awful reffing to another.


Agree mate. Said in the match thread that he 100% should have been booked for a first half two-footed, off the floor, out of control tackle. Think it was on Antonio and was he foul that Lanzini scored from. Noble has been booked for loads like that but not as bad this season. When he was finally booked it stifled his game and we took over midfield.

It feels like referee's go with lenient/tough to whichever will be the most punitive approach to our game on a match by match basis.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Hammer.CA on Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:22 pm

Kante does defo give an extra man...and must be the buy of the season along with Ibra (and they didn't buy him)[/quote]

Not according to Oliver Holt, it's Ibrahamovic. The team who were in 6th at the time of printing his article and 17 points behind have the signing of the season, no bias there then. :thdn:
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby JerseyHammer on Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:35 pm

Hammer.CA wrote:
Not according to Oliver Holt, it's Ibrahamovic. The team who were in 6th at the time of printing his article and 17 points behind have the signing of the season, no bias there then. :thdn:


To be fair, he cost them 0, will have sold millions of shirts and most importantly, has scored 15 goals in 25 games. I'd say that's some ****ing unbelievable business.

edit - they've also done the worst bit of business in a certain P Pogba
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby Cockneyboy311 on Sun Mar 19, 2017 9:56 pm

Chelsea are better to watch under Conte then they were under Jose.
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Re: Chelsea...worst ever winners ?

Postby StevePottsGoalsReel on Sun Mar 19, 2017 10:37 pm

JerseyHammer wrote:To be fair, he cost them 0, will have sold millions of shirts and most importantly, has scored 15 goals in 25 games. I'd say that's some ****ing unbelievable business.


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