jaybs wrote:If an offer has been made as suggested, it is a disgrace, I know it is still a lot of money, there are so many rumours of players leaving but one never seems to be mentioned, injury prone, does not deliver goals like other top strikers, and not worth what we pay him.
Hammer1972 wrote:
Then I realised the world has gone mad.
The issue here is the benchmark. In the sector, Rice has some very comparable benchmarks, most notably Reece Oxford. Oxford is slightly older, and in 2016 signed a deal for £20,000 per week, with add ons (according to the Evening Standard). Oxford has played 30 first team games over the last three seasons, including in the Championship, and in Germany. Rice on the other hand has played 31 games this season, and has also played 3 times for the Irish National Team, winning Man of the Match twice. It is almost beyond argument that Rice and Oxford should be at least on the same deal.
Look, football finances are outrageous, I agree with the sentiment, but I dont think anybody is wrong to understand their value within a specific market, and request that that is reflected in their remuneration package.
Whilst the commercial aspects of the deal are open to conjecture what I can say is Declan is very happy at West Ham and isn't going anywhere. The deal has to make sense but I would suggest he has the upper hand, in that he could probably go elsewhere for a lot more.
20k a month for a 19 year old is still a lot of money - and I've always said don't worry about what others are rumoured to be earning - just be happy with what you have.
Everyone moans about average players and new contracts yet when a player has 10 good games most shout -just pay whatever... and why we never have much sell on value due to other clubs around us can't afford the wages we pay a lot of average skilled players.
I prefer the baulk of there wages to be on bonuses.
Seems to me that it should be possible to structure some deal over 5 years that is properly incentivised so say starts at £20k year one with either £10k or £5k rises dependant on appearances knowing full well if he continues to develop it will be replaced anyway in 2/3 years in order to keep him.
they are paying oxford 20k plus a week for a player who had one good game 3 years ago !
pay him what he is worth now to keep him happy. this constant money saving attempts by our board must annoy the likes of lanzini who is next up for a new contract offer.
carroll 90k for 10 games a season is the real joke
Gotta imagine Oxford gets shift this window, though. Maybe they'll give Declan Reece's wages and put him on whatever the two combined are? Have heard a few places that we might actually be looking to sell both Reeces this window.
would sell oxford to germany 15-20m would keep burke as he does ok when he has played. depends if we bring in someone decent such as mawson then time to sell
hammerman11 wrote:they are paying oxford 20k plus a week for a player who had one good game 3 years ago !
pay him what he is worth now to keep him happy. this constant money saving attempts by our board must annoy the likes of lanzini who is next up for a new contract offer.
carroll 90k for 10 games a season is the real joke
Because paying Oxford that amount has done us wonders?
Sometimes players break onto the scene for a club then fall off the map after a year or two.
Michael Johnson was the next Gerrard, Man Utd were looking st Dan Burn when he was playing for Fulham as a teen, now he’s at Wigan. Reece Oxford, Man of the match against Arsenal, couldn’t get in the Reading team. It’s not as simple as ‘they’re in the first team now they’re ready for big wages’
pezza20 wrote:Whilst the commercial aspects of the deal are open to conjecture what I can say is Declan is very happy at West Ham and isn't going anywhere.
chigwells finest wrote:if people really think , that we are going to get 15-20m for oxford , then all is lost . we will be lucky to get £ 6-7 m , with a hefty sell on clause
We should have taken City's £20m bid for Reece Oxford 2 years ago. We didn't because we thought, ****!! He must be a whole site better than we think then, so loaned him out, so we can cash in at much bigger price in the future. Fact is, in reality he's not and now, we have no room for him, so we might just as well admit, we cocked up here, sell him for what we can get, move on and forget him
And just because everybody else has gone bonkers it doesn't mean we should do likewise.
Ask yourself how many clubs who would pay him more would have him in their starting XI every week ?
He's getting games at West Ham, and in the long run, he'll develop in to a better player because of it.
I agree with your sentiment. And he seems like a fairly level-headed bloke so may well decide to accept a smaller wage for game time, but when was rational long term thinking ever a quality of a 19 year old footballer (esp one with an agent no doubt screaming down his lughole)
IMHO there are likely plenty of clubs in and around us in the table (not just the top six) who would be tempted to pay double that on the gamble he develops and be worth £40m in a couple of years
And just because everybody else has gone bonkers it doesn't mean we should do likewise.
Ask yourself how many clubs who would pay him more would have him in their starting XI every week ?
He's getting games at West Ham, and in the long run, he'll develop in to a better player because of it.
The same could be said for a strategy of bringing in players on free transfers and Bosmans. It could also be said that the Mido and Barton deals (Barton’s never came off), made commercial and economic sense.
The idea of playing contractual chicken with a player like Rice would be insulting to him. You have to play within the market as it stands, or else you can’t really complain when we don’t spend £80 Million on players, or when we bring in players on short term deals.
It's not a game of chicken, it's offering a balanced option to the player.
At West Ham you get £8k a week, games under your belt and a sympathetic ear when things go wrong.
Elsewhere you might get £20k a week, but that's about it. You'll be in the reserves for 3 years, and mostly forgotten about.
Very few clubs select CB's below the age of 21, and none of the clubs who pay top dollar would risk him there at the moment.
If he's thinking about a good long term career, he'll gladly sign for £8k a week with us. It's the smart call for him to make.
Or at West Ham he should get the benchmark that was set for his counterpart, Reese Oxford. Why should he accept less? This idea that “you’ll have a career on the back of a loss leader” is becoming less and less appealing and is beginning to fail in sectors across the board, where young workers are simply upping sticks and moving elsewhere. There is no reason he should have to accept less than Oxford.
