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Re: Declan Rice

Postby MD_HM on Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:14 am

hammerdivone wrote:
Yes if you look. He said after the Chelsea game and the mistake he had a decision to make on the goalkeeper. He dropped Hart when everyone thought he had a contract clause saying if fit he must play.


But he has been worse since coming back into the side and is in the list for most mistakes leading to goals for goalkeepers this season.

There is something fishy going on with Hart

Should have been dropped straight after the Burnley blunder.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Hatcham Iron on Tue Apr 24, 2018 9:37 am

A great prospect put into a side that in the main is struggling big time,i blame the three stooges for this selling fonte and grabbing the cash as they always do if fonte had played that ball would not have ended up where it did he would have headed it clear.Declan is young and still learning his trade he will make schoolboy errors cos hes a young man but he will learn by this and it will make him a better player and I hope a star in the makeing. :crest:
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Mr_incredible on Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:53 pm

dont get what the problem is. Moyes is pointing it out as it cost us the game. arsenal were going down blind alleys and we were 10 minutes from a point...which in all honesty would probably have us safe this season. Now as it stands its back to squeeky bum time and the pressure is back on Moyes. Obviously it was a mistake and nobody wants him hung for it....but if you cant see what a ricket it was, your blind. this was joleon lescott at his best....they all make mistakes..even the very best...and bloody hell in this west ham side...hes gonna get asked a lot of questions every week. he'll come through it .....and when hes in a better defence at tottenham next year..wont make anywhere near the same amount of mistakes :clap:
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby StackerJJ on Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:59 pm

Mr_incredible wrote:dont get what the problem is.

I think the point is why didn't Moyes come out and comment on Hart's mistakes which cost us points against teams in and around us (must win games) but digs out a young lad against a team we are odd on to lose against everytime we play them?

Why only pick on this one and not all the other crap that's gone on from seniors throughout the year? That's the point in my eyes.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Lil Joe 17 on Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:07 pm

StackerJJ wrote:I think the point is why didn't Moyes come out and comment on Hart's mistakes which cost us points against teams in and around us (must win games) but digs out a young lad against a team we are odd on to lose against everytime we play them?

Why only pick on this one and not all the other crap that's gone on from seniors throughout the year? That's the point in my eyes.


Not saying its the correct answer but perhaps the person who's worked day in & day out with the guy for 7 months knows how he will respond to being called out in public & knows that Declan has a growth mindset which will spur him on to do better.

Maybe he wouldn't do it to somebody who doesn't have the same mindset/attitude.

I remember him calling out Arnautovic at the beginning of his reign & look at him now.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby StackerJJ on Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:26 pm

Lil Joe 17 wrote:Not saying its the correct answer but perhaps the person who's worked day in & day out with the guy for 7 months knows how he will respond to being called out in public & knows that Declan has a growth mindset which will spur him on to do better.

Maybe he wouldn't do it to somebody who doesn't have the same mindset/attitude.

I remember him calling out Arnautovic at the beginning of his reign & look at him now.

It wasnt him calling out Arnautovic that improved him it was playing him up front and taking away the tracking back part of his game that improved Arnie.

Players like Arnautovic are redundant in our own half, they thrive of beating players and scoring goals, keep him to doing his talking in the opponents half is what improved Arnie not "calling him out".
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Lil Joe 17 on Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:45 pm

StackerJJ wrote:It wasnt him calling out Arnautovic that improved him it was playing him up front and taking away the tracking back part of his game that improved Arnie.

Players like Arnautovic are redundant in our own half, they thrive of beating players and scoring goals, keep him to doing his talking in the opponents half is what improved Arnie not "calling him out".


Maybe it wasn't - trying to offer another perspective but unless we know Arnautovic we don't know it wasnt a motivator.

The tactics certainly improved Arnautovic - could have been a combination of both,
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Beavis Danzig on Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:03 pm

what improved arnautovic was getting his goal. he was awful before and has been stellar since getting it.

makes you wonder what might have happened with zaza if that overhead kick against sunderland went in.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Mr_incredible on Tue Apr 24, 2018 3:09 pm

i think harts mistakes have in general compounded the sh*t show..ie burnley......I guess Stoke...but again he got off because we equalised so late it felt like Moyes tried to take the upside of that result. its difficult for moyes not to comment on it...the whole game hinged on it and it was a complete clusterfu*k of an error...moyes merely stated the bleedin obvious...head it away. if this is all he said then so what....if he went on for 10 minutes about how rice cost us then that would be embarrassing...given how well hes done covering a glaring hole created by the board. Lets not forget 4 weeks ago noise coming out of the club hinted at it being the fans fault we were getting relegated. I guess theres still some culpable people a bit worried still at the club.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby goa127 on Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:57 pm

I have to laugh at people saying if Fonte hadn't been sold he would have headed that away. All I could ever see was people saying how useless Fonte was! Let's be fair, Rice has played really well the last few games, he's made an error which may or may not have cost us a point. I'd be prepared to bet he won't make the same mistake again. I can remember Rio getting caught out a few times, didn't stop him going on to be a top player. That Bobby Moore fella wasn't very good in the air either.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Het-Field on Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm

Rice will recover from this. The criticism I think has been taken slightly out of context, as I feel Moyes said a lot more than "he messed up", it was in the context of the overall statement.

Moyes has vested a lot of faith in Rice, and I suspect he will continue to do so.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Korea Hammer on Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:40 pm

He was better than John Stones 5 pages ago.

It was just a mistake. They all make them, and Rice has been one of the very few positives we can take from this season. He should be in the team for years to come, in my opinion.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby prophet:marginal on Tue Apr 24, 2018 7:14 pm

Anyway, its reported in today's Standard that a new contract is under consideration, by way of offer, from the board and that, such is the urgency, they are bringing it forward, to get it done before the end of the season.

(Lanzini also under consideration, but offer of renewed terms not expected until after end of season).
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Colours never run on Wed Apr 25, 2018 4:51 am

StackerJJ wrote:I think the point is why didn't Moyes come out and comment on Hart's mistakes which cost us points against teams in and around us (must win games) but digs out a young lad against a team we are odd on to lose against everytime we play them?

Why only pick on this one and not all the other crap that's gone on from seniors throughout the year? That's the point in my eyes.


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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Vienna on Thu May 10, 2018 10:59 pm

He is going to be a £50m player in no time, he oozes quality.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby somerset-hammer on Thu May 10, 2018 11:02 pm

Vienna wrote:He is going to be a £50m player in no time, he oozes quality.


He definitely will after we've sold him for £12m..
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Cuenca 'ammer on Thu May 10, 2018 11:04 pm

^^^^^^^^

yeah probably..but we'll only get 20M and waste it on some 36 year old who used to play for Barcelona (youth team) AC Milan (never off the bench) and then for Manchester City who was then hurt for 2 years with ruptured achilles and a torn ACL on his return.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby HammerAl on Thu May 10, 2018 11:30 pm

This lad is an excellent footballer.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby bowltorious on Fri May 11, 2018 12:03 am

Ive said it before and i'll say it again, potential to be one of the best defenders in the world.
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Re: Declan Rice

Postby Cuenca 'ammer on Fri May 11, 2018 12:05 am

bowltorious wrote:Ive said it before and i'll say it again, potential to be one of the best defenders in the world.


at least he gets loads of practice here.........

(and more likely won't be a world class player here...for long...)
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