The Back Room Boys

Does exactly what it says on the tin - the forum for football-related discussion.

Moderators: bristolhammerfc, sicknote, -DL-, Rio, Gnome, chalks, the pink palermo

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby woodywoody on Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:28 pm

Pearce is a top fellow and beats the likes of Dicks who struggled with a women's team.
User avatar
woodywoody
 
Posts: 389
Joined: Sun Jan 05, 2014 1:50 pm

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby Iron-worx on Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:54 pm

Pearce is the in house stand in manager that we didn't have under Bilic.

I always did think that not having one was a potential mistake.
User avatar
Iron-worx
 
Posts: 5255
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:44 pm
Location: Rebuilding Lady Garrets Tower

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby Benny the Ball on Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:18 pm

It feels to me good appointments for guys that have failed as Managers but impressed as coaches. What I cant get my head around is who is the no2 and what are roles of the 4 (other than Woods which is obvious). It seems top heavy and who does what? youre on bibs, you do cones, pyscho you make sure the balls are pumped up.

BtB
Benny the Ball
 
Posts: 328
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:41 am
Location: overlooking the Caspian

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby bubbles500 on Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:46 pm

I purely stated the facts as managers all failed in their last jobs and were sacked.
Pearce-forest
Irvine-wba
McKinley-Part of Sunderland set up

Hopefully they will do better as coaches.
bubbles500
 
Posts: 1660
Joined: Tue Mar 28, 2017 6:44 pm

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby MB on Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:50 pm

bubbles500 wrote:I purely stated the facts as managers all failed in their last jobs and were sacked.
Pearce-forest
Irvine-wba
McKinley-Part of Sunderland set up

Hopefully they will do better as coaches.


All have been successful coaches previously though.

It would be like criticising Moyes for playing Little Pea as a number 9 when he failed miserably as a winger.

All good choices on paper, but let’s see if there are improvements over the next few months before getting too excited.
User avatar
MB
Cricket's Darren Anderton
 
Posts: 14444
Joined: Wed Dec 18, 2002 6:13 pm

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby Gerblatz on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:04 pm

If they are working hard to whip the rabble into shape...and suck seed...I expect to see some growth under this group.
User avatar
Gerblatz
 
Posts: 4087
Joined: Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:16 pm
Location: In a Gadda Da Vida

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby e-20 on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:23 pm

Benny the Ball wrote:It feels to me good appointments for guys that have failed as Managers but impressed as coaches. What I cant get my head around is who is the no2 and what are roles of the 4 (other than Woods which is obvious). It seems top heavy and who does what? youre on bibs, you do cones, pyscho you make sure the balls are pumped up.

BtB


I think there will be plenty for them to do personally. The good thing about Pierce in particular, though a poor manager will have cue to his experience a particular eye for who and when the younger players will be ready to play. That alone will be a big help to Moyes who will have plenty else to keep him busy.
User avatar
e-20
 
Posts: 547
Joined: Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:01 pm
Location: enfield

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby Metal Hammer on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:29 pm

bubbles500 wrote:I purely stated the facts as managers all failed in their last jobs and were sacked.
Pearce-forest
Irvine-wba
McKinley-Part of Sunderland set up

Hopefully they will do better as coaches.


Sorry we couldn't bring someone in from Tottenham to appease you :think:
User avatar
Metal Hammer
 
Posts: 2087
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:28 pm
Location: The Beast from the East is Rising

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby smuts on Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:45 pm

Many a great coach has gone on to be a poor manager. Roeder by all accounts was a very good coach, Brian Kidd was a poor gaffer but is still an excellent assistant manager and so on.
User avatar
smuts
 
Posts: 18850
Joined: Sun Jan 28, 2007 10:28 am
Location: East, East, East London

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby hadleighhammer on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:01 pm

Iron-worx wrote:Pearce is the in house stand in manager that we didn't have under Bilic.

I always did think that not having one was a potential mistake.


You actually think its a good idea to have a Shakespeare type in the background set up to pounce on the job at any moment?

And youre happy that for us it is a failed club manager?

Unreal.
User avatar
hadleighhammer
Gentrified
 
Posts: 9161
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:18 pm
Location: On my computer trying to keep up with the Sky fixture changes

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby the pink palermo on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:11 pm

Good experienced football managers will tell you not to hire your own replacement as your No.2

In our case i dont think we have .
User avatar
the pink palermo
Huge noggin
 
Posts: 36688
Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:00 pm
Location: Whining is what we are here for

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby steps on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:18 pm

MB wrote:All good choices on paper,.


Well they’re not, on paper they’re all poor choices, pretty awful in fact.

The argument is: “let’s give them a chance” though.
User avatar
steps
 
Posts: 1382
Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:18 am

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby WorcesterWHU on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:29 pm

steps wrote:
Well they’re not, on paper they’re all poor choices, pretty awful in fact.

The argument is: “let’s give them a chance” though.


I'd be really interested to hear alternative coaches. You can go first.
User avatar
WorcesterWHU
 
Posts: 4333
Joined: Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:01 am
Location: Respecting the point

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby the pink palermo on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:38 pm

steps wrote:
Well they’re not, on paper they’re all poor choices, pretty awful in fact.

The argument is: “let’s give them a chance” though.


Tell us why they are poor choices as coaches .

Then show us YOUR badges .
User avatar
the pink palermo
Huge noggin
 
Posts: 36688
Joined: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:00 pm
Location: Whining is what we are here for

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby steps on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:48 pm

the pink palermo wrote:Tell us why they are poor choices as coaches .

Then show us YOUR badges .


Come on mate. They’re all failed (ok, failed ex-managers might make good coaches. Time will tell I suppose.)

And I can understand people trying to make good out of a bad situation. But for me (a realist), it’s a very risky strategy.
User avatar
steps
 
Posts: 1382
Joined: Wed Jul 27, 2016 8:18 am

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby Iron-worx on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:49 pm

hadleighhammer wrote:
You actually think its a good idea to have a Shakespeare type in the background set up to pounce on the job at any moment?

And youre happy that for us it is a failed club manager?

Unreal.


Yes I do think it's a good idea to have somebody in house who can stand in as manager in the event of anything untoward happening.

I would say that's basic good business management.
User avatar
Iron-worx
 
Posts: 5255
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:44 pm
Location: Rebuilding Lady Garrets Tower

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby Iron-worx on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:52 pm

I thought that both Irvine and Pearce were acknowledged to be good coaches who for that reason tried management but didn't turn out to be good managers ????
User avatar
Iron-worx
 
Posts: 5255
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:44 pm
Location: Rebuilding Lady Garrets Tower

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby hadleighhammer on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:53 pm

Comparing football management and generic business management is real apples and washing machines stuff.
User avatar
hadleighhammer
Gentrified
 
Posts: 9161
Joined: Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:18 pm
Location: On my computer trying to keep up with the Sky fixture changes

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby Iron-worx on Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:55 pm

the pink palermo wrote:Good experienced football managers will tell you not to hire your own replacement as your No.2

In our case i dont think we have .


Who said anything about replacement manager ?

I said stand in which is an entirely different thing.
User avatar
Iron-worx
 
Posts: 5255
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:44 pm
Location: Rebuilding Lady Garrets Tower

Re: The Back Room Boys

Postby Iron-worx on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:00 pm

hadleighhammer wrote:Comparing football management and generic business management is real apples and washing machines stuff.


Are you for real ?

The idea of having a stand in who is immediately at hand in the event of something untoward is obviously more practical than having one who needs to be recruited.

That applies to everything.

Why do you think they have a fourth official at games ?

Wouldn't really work if the ref collapsed and they had to ring 50 miles away for the replacement would it.
User avatar
Iron-worx
 
Posts: 5255
Joined: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:44 pm
Location: Rebuilding Lady Garrets Tower

PreviousNext

Return to General Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: 17 years of hurt, Alan Pardew's Dad, ballantine, Believer, Billy from the bobby, bondsbootlaces, Claret&Blue,Thru&, Crouchend_Hammer, FreeWheeling, Gerblatz, goingunderground, Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], Hainault Hammer, Hammer Smith, jamesb84, jammys78, Jinxed, Macca1973, Phil S, Pilly, preston, Sauce!, Sir_Trevor, thai hammer, The Old Man of Storr, TheHandOfDog, umweb, WHUTerry, wolfhammer and 121 guests