West Ham Utd 2-1 West Bromwich Albion (02/01/18)

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According to someone I know, who was at Spurs at the same time as Livermore, he was bollocked over recreational use whilst at Spurs - how true that is I don't know.
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Estuary wrote: It is terribly sad loosing a child, I know, we lost two, my brother and his wife also in far worse circumstances, but in Livermore's case I thought at the time and still do that he used that loss as an expedient for the drug taking.
This incident should be set against the same sort of treatment as Cantona, or Evra. If a player can get a three game ban for a second yellow when celebrating by diving into his own crowd, as incitement of others, this incident should mean at least a ten game ban, that is at least if the law as written is to mean anything at all.
Unfortunately Estuary it would appear that we are bonded by a similar heart breaking experience (or experiences in your case).

In 2014 our daughter was still born. Laying you’re child to rest stays with you for life, creates a hole that will never be filled and ****'s you up beyond all recognition.

Very easy for those who have never experienced such pain to condemn JL’s actions.

If it turns out somebody did utter such words – it’s not reflective of West Ham, the club have done all they can and acted accordingly. I could however, completely understand the players reaction.

I’m hoping whatever was said was misinterpreted, it would be extremely sad if someone mocked another human being for the loss of a child.

We can speculate as to whether Livermore used the bereavement excuse as a mechanism to avoid being penalised, we’ll never know. I have my suspicions but it’s almost a taboo subject, no way of proving either way.

For my money, West London Hammer gave the best synopsis a few pages back.
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The Sherriff wrote:
Unfortunately Estuary it would appear that we are bonded by a similar heart breaking experience (or experiences in your case).

In 2014 our daughter was still born. Laying you’re child to rest stays with you for life, creates a hole that will never be filled and ****'s you up beyond all recognition.

Very easy for those who have never experienced such pain to condemn JL’s actions.
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Really sorry to hear that Sheriff. My wife had 4 miscarriages before our daughter was born, but all were before 12 weeks, so nothing like what you suffered
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westlondonhammer wrote:I have no idea what Livermore has been through...hope i never have to

At best, the abuse has been misheard

At worst, the bloke who said it is a dickhead and deserves what he gets

Either way, i don't blame Livermore for his reaction to what he heard / misheard...he's only human. I have no reason to disbelieve what he says he (thinks) he heard
Spot on

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And god bless anyone who has lost a little un..... :thup:
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As a few on here have expressed going through such horrific times themselves, they wouldn’t be offered the same leniency in real life.

Imagine whilst representing your employer three years down the line, jumping into a crowd of customers to have a fight... most of us would be sacked or arrested let alone just banned.

That doesn’t mean it isn’t a difficult situation or to show sympathy towards JL, but I don’t think he should escape any punishment
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We had an instance at work a few years ago, one guy had assaulted the daughter of a bloke at the same firm. The father thumped the other one and got sacked, he was told that if he hadn't been on company premises he wouldn't have been sacked. Provocation was no defence, hitting someone at work was a stackable offence. Not precisely the same but I see no reason for livermore to escape punishment.
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All about self control.
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Just been watching Sky Sports News coverage of the incident. It looks like the bloke the stewards are escorting from his seat is wearing a coat with the 12bet logo on so is he a West Brom fan or have Sky missed something?
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Yet again... no one knows if the two things are genuinely linked

It’s the word of a footballer caught snorting cocaine that says they are... it might be the truth, it might not... we just don’t know!

Either way, he IS responsible for HIS actions just as the fan is and should face the consequences.

A player gets booked for celebrating with the fans let alone trying to fight them, if it was any of us then we would face the consequences with our employers, especially in such a public profession.
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