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Re: TV rights

Postby hadleighhammer on Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:53 am

sendô wrote:Does it matter? It will just mean more costs for the consumer that wants to watch football on the tele.


Good. Hopefully put off more of the Pogba dabbing Sky generation buying Sky then. Or get more people moving to streaming for free on some dodgy site. Both resulting in less money for the Prem League, overpaid footballers, agents, etc and maybe more consideration for the matchday going supporter as their ££ becomes a higher % of club turnover.
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Re: TV rights

Postby rare as rockinghorse shat on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:21 am

I make it a rise of £88 million per season (£352m overall), before the other rights have been sold.
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Re: TV rights

Postby Mega Ron on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:29 am

Because this deal is for fewer seasons?
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Re: TV rights

Postby rare as rockinghorse shat on Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:02 am

4, as opposed to 5 previously, if what has been stated is correct.
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Re: TV rights

Postby MB on Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:06 am

But more games being shown per season hence Bubbles comment about “per game” it has dropped.

BT are working with Sky in a way none of Sky’s other competitors have previously which will keep the domestic rights down over the longer term.
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Re: TV rights

Postby Wembley1966 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:12 pm

sjb958 wrote:Who do you think will pick up the 2 all games options? Netflix, Amazon, Youtube or the like?

They are the only companies that are really going to be able to handle 10 concurrent streams aren't they?

Anyone could show 10 concurrent streams - it's the end-users ISP that is the bottleneck not the provider. The matches will certainly be split across several days, so 5 concurrent at most - and may even be across time slots on a given day. They could then even do it on Freeview channels as more frequencies become available - perhaps from Discovery, Canal+ or even ITV or Channel 5!

Amazon Prime has 90,000,000 subscribers just in the US - even if they got any of the top packages available, why would they want to add only 820,000 that Sky average in the UK for their live matches! With multiple matches you might get a million viewers across them all. And they only get to show matches for 4 mid-weeks - none at weekends - that's not going to get any long-term subscribers!

Whilst Sky are paying marginally less for each match, they get to have 1st choice of the matches for all 34 weekends - however BT control most of the 2nd picks! This means that proper "Super Sundays" could be in jeopardy and if the final day of the season decider goes down to more than one match they could lose out showing the champions. It's not just the times that are of value but the picks as well.

So far:

Package A - BT
Total matches: 32 - 20 second picks, 12 fifth picks
Matches per club: Max six; Min one
32 matches at Saturday 12.30

Package B - Sky
Total matches: 32 (15 first picks, five third picks, 12 fifth picks)
Matches per club: Max six; Min one
32 matches at Saturday 17.30

Package C - Sky
Total matches: 32 (14 second picks; 18 fourth picks)
Matches per club: Max five; Min one
24 matches at Sunday 14.00 and 8 matches at Saturday 19.45

Package D - Sky
Total matches: 32 (19 first picks; seven third picks; six fourth picks)
Matches per club: Max five; Min one
32 matches at Sunday 16.30

Package E - Sky
Total matches: 32 (22 third picks; 10 fourth picks)
Matches per club: Max five; Min none
24 matches at Monday 20.00 or Friday 19.30 - 20.00 and 8 matches at Sunday 14.00

Package F - not known
Total matches: 20
Matches per club: Max two; Min two
All 20 matches from one Bank Holiday and one midweek fixture programme

Package G - not known
Total matches: 20
Matches per club: Max two; Min two
All 20 matches from two midweek fixture programmes

Sky can only get one of the other packages (max 148 for a single provider) - so the other one has to go to BT or another provider. It looks like these 2 other packages didn't even make the reserve price which shows that they are not popular - either from Sky, BT or anyone else. This means that the price paid will be quite low with Sky out of the bidding for one of them.

A big thing that could really screw up Sky is if Scotland decide that their protected time for matches is no longer 3:00pm on a Saturday but 2:00pm on a Sunday! That would stop Sky showing any live football from 1:45 until 4:15 in Scotland. Scottish clubs don't get much from Sky for broadcasting their matches with most Scottish Sky subscriptions going to pay for English matches.
Each member association may decide on two and a half hours on a Saturday or a Sunday during which any Transmission of football may be prohibited within the territory of the relevant member association. This prohibition shall apply only to intentional transmissions.
The two and a half hours period (or periods) must be decided on by the member association fourteen days, at the latest, before the beginning of its domestic season, at which time they will enter into force and apply for the whole season.
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Re: TV rights

Postby sjb958 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:36 pm

Wembley1966 wrote:Anyone could show 10 concurrent streams - it's the end-users ISP that is the bottleneck not the provider. The matches will certainly be split across several days, so 5 concurrent at most - and may even be across time slots on a given day. They could then even do it on Freeview channels as more frequencies become available - perhaps from Discovery, Canal+ or even ITV or Channel 5!

Amazon Prime has 90,000,000 subscribers just in the US - even if they got any of the top packages available, why would they want to add only 820,000 that Sky average in the UK for their live matches! With multiple matches you might get a million viewers across them all. And they only get to show matches for 4 mid-weeks - none at weekends - that's not going to get any long-term subscribers!

Whilst Sky are paying marginally less for each match, they get to have 1st choice of the matches for all 34 weekends - however BT control most of the 2nd picks! This means that proper "Super Sundays" could be in jeopardy and if the final day of the season decider goes down to more than one match they could lose out showing the champions. It's not just the times that are of value but the picks as well.

Sky can only get one of the other packages (max 148 for a single provider) - so the other one has to go to BT or another provider. It looks like these 2 other packages didn't even make the reserve price which shows that they are not popular - either from Sky, BT or anyone else. This means that the price paid will be quite low with Sky out of the bidding for one of them. [/i]


Interesting reading, thanks!

I was under the impression that these packages were for UK audiences only. I was wondering whether the 2 remaining packages will be limited to UK IP addresses only if streamed, for instance?

Because obviously the main packages agreed on so far are for UK audiences only (I'm guessing), given that completely different rights agreements are arranged with other worldwide broadcasters.
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Re: TV rights

Postby sutts07 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:44 pm

sjb958 wrote:Interesting reading, thanks!

I was under the impression that these packages were for UK audiences only. I was wondering whether the 2 remaining packages will be limited to UK IP addresses only if streamed, for instance?

Because obviously the main packages agreed on so far are for UK audiences only (I'm guessing), given that completely different rights agreements are arranged with other worldwide broadcasters.


Correct in that this is only the UK rights.

Once this is all eventually set they set about selling off the global rights.
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Re: TV rights

Postby Adrianisournumber1 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:16 pm

Could DAZN not buy the rights
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Re: TV rights

Postby bubbles1966 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:26 pm

rare as rockinghorse shat wrote:4, as opposed to 5 previously, if what has been stated is correct.


The current deal and the future one are both three seasons. They've effectively sold the same number of games for about £600m less so far.

As for the overseas rights, the US ones have already been sold as have the Chinese - the total value of these latest packages is just over £300m a year. That's about double the previous rate but far less than the UK rights.

I think we can assume, in the absence of non TV money flooding in, that the PL spiral of spending is probably capped for a few years.
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Re: TV rights

Postby ereford ammer on Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:24 pm

The dildo brothers will blame the reduced TV money for an even lower level of investment. I am sure Sullivan will claim he would have bought Messi if it was not for that awful TV deal.
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Re: TV rights

Postby Wembley1966 on Wed Feb 14, 2018 10:46 pm

Adrianisournumber1 wrote:Could DAZN not buy the rights

They could do - or Eleven Sports. These are both British owned sports broadcasters that have the rights to a number of sports including the Premier League in some foreign countries. But they haven't bid - apart from our usual domestic broadcasters the only other company rumoured to be involved is the French owned Canal+ who specialise in multi-format broadcasting i.e. satellite, cable and IPTV.
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Re: TV rights

Postby sutts07 on Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:00 pm

Adrianisournumber1 wrote:Could DAZN not buy the rights


I don't think DAZN is available in the UK yet is it?
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Re: TV rights

Postby Wembley1966 on Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:24 pm

^^^ :wink:

DAZN CEO James Rushton:
'We are looking, keeping a close eye on what is going on in the UK. I can't say for definite that we will, but I can say that it is something we'd like to do and we are constantly evaluating how we could do it and what kind of partners we'd need to execute that plan.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4854722/Behind-DAZN-New-Netflix-sport-changing-watch.html

They could have bid for the remaining 2 packages - but they are not worth it for any new entrant. You can't base a subscription model around just 4 rounds of matches out of 38 let alone cover marketing and production costs, even at the likely low amounts that they will go for. They're also not worth it for Sky/BT as they are not going to gain or lose subscribers by having or not having them. These additional packages were only created to comply with OFCOM's ruling that there should be an increase in the number of live matches to 190 or more. They've given up on more negotiations this week and if it drags on for months it could end up with Premier League Productions broadcasting them themselves or handing over rights to the home clubs!
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