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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby Corney Beal on Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:12 pm

Always thought it was a bit fishy when we took on Mackerel after what happened at Hillsborough. A man of 'Manny' mistakes.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby Hot Bot on Wed Jun 28, 2017 12:19 pm

Good news that they have been charged - now it's important we don't really speak about it so they can't claim they can't have a fair trial:

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... s-13250526

Mods, please keep an eye on this stuff (I'm sure you will anyway, just thought it couldn't hurt to give a reminder!)
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby westham,eggyandchips on Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:19 pm

Lets hope those seeking justice can finally see the finishing line and its been worth the fight.

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Re: One of the biggest regrets of his life

Postby Estuary on Wed Jun 28, 2017 1:59 pm

Was there any evidence that there were forged tickets or was that just b*llocks from the old bill to try and cover up their failings?


Personally never saw a forged ticket, but as this was a rare all ticket game we turned up late from the pub assuming as ticket holders we were going to breeze straight in. Except that was the same idea everyone had so we were on the end of a huge queue. The two big issues that I witnessed on the day at Loftus Rd were R's turnstile operators taking cash from non ticket holders, and the old bill opened an exit gate to allow the large crowd outside that was starting to crush against the walls leading up to the turnstile in to ease off the issue outside, all this did was move the crush from outside the ground onto the terrace which was already full.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby leeo272 on Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:27 pm

Big George wrote:One of those charged is ex West Ham secretary Graham Mackrell who did the same job at Sheff Weds as the time of the disaster.


Is that Mackrell of the Omoyimni affair?
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby Up the Junction on Wed Jun 28, 2017 3:38 pm

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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby Puff Daddy on Wed Jun 28, 2017 4:51 pm

Its a fair cop
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby Jon on Wed Jun 28, 2017 5:23 pm

The tragedy could have happened at any ground during that era. No ground was safe on a big match day.

All gangways were filled in on North and South Banks at our place. No escape route. Remember Ipswich at home 1986....Terrifying scenes in the North Bank. Hundreds could have perished.

At hillsborough the entrances to the 4 pens were not manned by stewards let alone gated when full. The 2k or so that were let in through gate c by duckenfield headed straight for the 2 central pens...

On the tickets themselves no particular pen was mentioned. You go anywhere you like. Why?

Clubs sold out to greed and let terraces overfill. No restrictions on numbers, cash often accepted even on big match days. That whole era could have seen many a disaster. It was a miracle there weren't others.

The FA escape scot free? That aint right. They presided over many death trap stadia.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby westham,eggyandchips on Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:14 pm

Jon wrote:
The FA escape scot free? That aint right. They presided over many death trap stadia.


Spot-on mate. Clearly above the law as per usual.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby mushy on Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:17 pm

Jon wrote:The tragedy could have happened at any ground during that era. No ground was safe on a big match day.

All gangways were filled in on North and South Banks at our place. No escape route. Remember Ipswich at home 1986....Terrifying scenes in the North Bank. Hundreds could have perished.

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The pitch was the natural escape route, I never once felt that people could die at Upton Park, apart from the old wooden Chicken run catching fire.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby Jon on Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:22 pm

mushy - that night the North Bank was maybe 2k over capacity. It swayed like never before. Its was terrifying to watch from the Chicken Run. 31 years ago and I can picture it like it was yesterday.

St John's Ambulance tried to pull people out but it was impossible. Too rammed. You couldn't open the 'gates' in the advertising boards otherwise people would fall on top of one another.

Desperate calls over the tannoy for people to move back. I can only assume many left the ground all together from the back of the North Bank.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby DaveWHU1964 on Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:33 pm

gegsy wrote:It's taken 28 years for anything approaching justice, if they hadn't kept at it then this would never have happened.

The disgrace is that it's taken this long and there have been so many lies along the way. Hopefully this can give some closure to it.

This. Such tenacity on the families part - incredible really.

As an aside I doubt that Scouse Hammerette still looks in on here but if she does then I'm pleased for the families and supporters like her. Nearly there.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby Doc H Ball on Wed Jun 28, 2017 6:45 pm

DaveWHU1964 wrote:As an aside I doubt that Scouse Hammerette still looks in on here but if she does then I'm pleased for the families and supporters like her. Nearly there.


Well said Dave.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby sutts07 on Wed Jun 28, 2017 10:52 pm

The charge aimed at Norman Bettison around Liverpool fans being totally blameless or not could prove an interesting one in an actual court of law as opposed to in front of a panel.

The negligence and subsequent cover ups from the police are absolutely disgusting and go very deep. Hope all those guilty get dragged into it and end up getting what they have deserved for many a year.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby westham,eggyandchips on Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:02 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-43424172

So it’s Topman that faces the wrath of the scousers.

What next, we cancel Mothers/Father’s Day in case it offends someone that has lost a parent?
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Hillsborough

Postby 3times on Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:42 am

The stay on the prosecution of the Match Commander & others has been lifted. Dukenfield to be charged over the manslaughter of 95 people.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-44656778
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Re: Hillsborough

Postby Upminster Hammer on Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:54 am

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Re: Hillsborough

Postby Samba on Fri Jun 29, 2018 11:14 pm

3times wrote:The stay on the prosecution of the Match Commander & others has been lifted. Dukenfield to be charged over the manslaughter of 95 people.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-m ... e-44656778" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Absolute sick joke it not being the 96.
I understand the year & a day law bollox but the poor lad still died for exactly the same reasons that everyone else did.
The law really is sometimes, an ass.
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Re: Duckenfield finally holds his hands up (non WHU)

Postby brownout on Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:51 am

Jon wrote:All gangways were filled in on North and South Banks at our place. No escape route. Remember Ipswich at home 1986....Terrifying scenes in the North Bank. Hundreds could have perished.



Fortunately Upton Park was one of the few grounds to avoid fences and hence much safer than most.
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Re: Hillsborough

Postby brownout on Sat Jun 30, 2018 8:53 am

Indivuduals will take the blame but it was a lack of safety culture or care that lay behind the disaster. Money & control of hooliganism over safety. (Is Grenfell heading this way too?)
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