2018/19 Benchmark Thread

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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby CRFC Hammer on Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:13 am

This weekend’s matches with last seasons result and current benchmark points
Arsenal (5) v Liverpool (4) 3-3
Bournemouth (3) v Manchester United (-5) 0-2
Cardiff City (-4) v Leicester City (-1) 2-2
Everton (3) v Brighton & Hove Albion (-2) 2-0
Newcastle United (-9) v Watford (11) 0-3
West Ham United (-3) v Burnley (-3) 0-3
Wolverhampton Wanderers (7) v Tottenham Hotspur (4) 0-2
Chelsea (5) v Crystal Palace (1) 2-1
Manchester City (1) v Southampton (-3) 2-1
Huddersfield Town (-3) v Fulham (-3) 1-0

Unfortunately, the CROPTA stats reckon the 3 games most likely to produce the same result are at Arsenal, West Ham and Huddersfield.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby the pink palermo on Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:18 pm

So a year to the day since Slaven Bilic departed, when this thread is updated it will show us exactly where we were at the same stage last year.

Hopefully the run of games we have coming up will see us move ahead by around Christmas time.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby gravesendhammer on Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:11 pm

the pink palermo wrote:So a year to the day since Slaven Bilic departed, when this thread is updated it will show us exactly where we were at the same stage last year.

Hopefully the run of games we have coming up will see us move ahead by around Christmas time.


Not sure PP, yes the benchmark would be neutral, but the teams that we have played, compared to the 1st 11 games last season, would surely show an improvement.

FWIW, we had 9 points after 11 games last year, having played Southampton, Newcastle, Huddersfield, Brighton, West Brom, Swansea, Palace and Burnley - with two of those ending up in the bottom 3 come the end of the season.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby James P on Mon Nov 05, 2018 4:46 pm

The benchmark thread compares results against the same opponents, not just points after 11 games so it would be neutral.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby gravesendhammer on Mon Nov 05, 2018 5:26 pm

I get that, James. But PP is saying we are exactly where we are, a year after Bilic left which is slightly misleading and not comparing apples with apples.

Bilic did not play the sequence of teams between Aug-Nov that we have played this year, most of which were actually under the stewardship of Moyes

At least that's how I interpreted it, anyways.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby prophet:marginal on Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:00 pm

I think that we're at a par with last season, given that we won on Saturday...i.e. whereas the score lines are different, the points haul has been the same (11 points from these particular 11 matches).
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby the pink palermo on Mon Nov 05, 2018 7:17 pm

@Gravsend hammer, I'm not really offering a view at all other than illustrating how hard it is to climb this league if you get off to a shaky start.

The feeling I sort of get is most supporters I speak to are happier at this stage this season than they were last - that's not meant as a dig at Bilic - it's just the way football seems to work.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby bubbles1966 on Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:14 pm

The margin in games is where the improvement becomes evident.

Liverpool a - 1
Bourneouth h - 1
Arsenal +1
Wolves (no fixture)
Everton +6
Chelsea -1
Man Utd +2
Brighton +1
Spurs =
Leicester -2
Burnley +5

Margins are swinging our way, and it is especially pronounced after the first couple of games.

Burnley at home and Everton away were two of our lowest points last year - and we've won comfortably this time around, playing good football to boot.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby goa127 on Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:54 pm

this time last year I felt despair. Now I'm more optimistic than I can actually remember. The points may be similar the feeling isn't
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby carnage on Mon Nov 05, 2018 8:56 pm

We are in a far better position this year in my opinion. We know at least 8 of our best XI and if we beat Huddersfield then we can target the top 7 by Christmas. Injuries clearing up as well bar Lanzini and Yarmolenko, the future is bright.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby CRFC Hammer on Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:21 am

Some good healthy debate above, my view is that we are in a better position than this time last year but we need to keep picking up the points in the games with those teams that are currently below us in the league.

12th Aug Liverpool 4-0 West Ham United (4-1) 0 Pts[/color]
18th Aug West Ham United 1-2 Bournemouth (1-1) -1 pt
25th Aug Arsenal 3-1 West Ham United (4-1) -1 pt
1st Sep West Ham United 0-1 Wolverhampton Wanderers (1-0) -4 pts
16th Sep Everton 1-3 West Ham United (4-0) -1 pt
23rd Sep West Ham United 0-0 Chelsea (1-0) -3 pts
29th Sep West Ham United 3-1 Manchester United (0-0) -1 pt
5th Oct Brighton & Hove Albion 1-0 West Ham United (3-1) -1 pt
20th Oct West Ham United 0-1 Tottenham Hotspur (2-3) -1 pt
27th Oct Leicester City 1-1 West Ham United (0-2) -3 pts
3rd Nov West Ham United 4-2 Burnley (0-3) 0 pts
10th Nov Huddersfield Town v West Ham United 1-4
24th Nov West Ham United v Manchester City 1-4
1st Dec Newcastle United v West Ham United 3-0
4th Dec West Ham United v Cardiff City 1-1
8th Dec West Ham United v Crystal Palace 1-1
15th Dec Fulham v West Ham United 0-0
22nd Dec West Ham United v Watford 2-0
27th Dec Southampton v West Ham United 3-2
30th Dec Burnley v West Ham United 1-1
2nd Jan West Ham United v Brighton & Hove Albion 0-3
12th Jan West Ham United v Arsenal 0-0
19th Jan Bournemouth v West Ham United 3-3
29th Jan Wolverhampton Wanderers v West Ham United 4-1
2nd Feb West Ham United v Liverpool 1-4
9th Feb Crystal Palace v West Ham United 2-2
23rd Feb West Ham United v Fulham 2-1
27th Feb Manchester City v West Ham United 2-1
2nd Mar West Ham United v Newcastle United 2-3
9th Mar 30 Cardiff City v West Ham United 0-3
16th Mar West Ham United v Huddersfield Town 2-0
30th Mar West Ham United v Everton 3-1
6th Apr Chelsea v West Ham United 1-1
13th Apr Manchester United v West Ham United 4-0
20th Apr West Ham United v Leicester City 1-1
27th Apr Tottenham Hotspur v West Ham United 1-1
4th May West Ham United v Southampton 3-0
12th May Watford v West Ham United 2-0

Statto time -
Another bumper week with 7 results matched this week in the benchmark league. Of the 110 games played so far this season, 59 (54%) have produced the same result. Watford have dropped back to an extra 8 points from their 11 games. Newcastle and Burnley are on -6. Manchester City, Huddersfield and Southampton have matched 8 out of 11 results, whilst Bournemouth have matched 2 out of 11.

Weekend results with last season score in brackets
Arsenal 1-1 Liverpool (3-3)
Bournemouth 1-2 Manchester United (0-2)

Cardiff City 0-1 Leicester City (2-2)
Everton 3-1 Brighton & Hove Albion (2-0)
Newcastle United 1-0 Watford (0-3)
West Ham United 4-2 Burnley (0-3)
Wolverhampton Wanderers 2-3 Tottenham Hotspur (0-2)
Chelsea 3-1 Crystal Palace (2-1)
Manchester City 6-1 Southampton (2-1)
Huddersfield Town 1-0 Fulham (1-0)


The points gained/lost league table after 11 games is as follows
1. Watford +8
2. Wolverhampton Wanderers +7
3. Chelsea +5
4. Arsenal +5
5. Liverpool +4
6. Tottenham +3
7. Everton +3
8. Bournemouth +3
9. Manchester City +1
10. Crystal Palace +1
11. Leicester City +1
12. WEST HAM UNITED 0
13. Brighton & Hove Albion -2
14. Huddersfield Town -3
15. Southampton -3
16. Fulham -3
17. Cardiff City -5
18. Manchester United -5
19. Burnley -6
20. Newcastle United -6
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby szola on Tue Nov 06, 2018 9:29 am

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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby spod on Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:05 pm

Such a great thread.
Interesting that we're back to par at last. But we're only on par for last season, which was a pretty mediocre season.
Need to push the needle out a bit, before we get too excited.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby sutts07 on Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:16 pm

spod wrote:Such a great thread.
Interesting that we're back to par at last. But we're only on par for last season, which was a pretty mediocre season.
Need to push the needle out a bit, before we get too excited.


10th Nov Huddersfield Town v West Ham United 1-4
24th Nov West Ham United v Manchester City 1-4
1st Dec Newcastle United v West Ham United 3-0
4th Dec West Ham United v Cardiff City 1-1
8th Dec West Ham United v Crystal Palace 1-1
15th Dec Fulham v West Ham United 0-0
22nd Dec West Ham United v Watford 2-0
27th Dec Southampton v West Ham United 3-2
30th Dec Burnley v West Ham United 1-1
2nd Jan West Ham United v Brighton & Hove Albion 0-3

Anything more than 10 points from these upcoming fixtures will see us 'push the needle'. I think we are looking at picking up 15 minimum (could be as many as 20 if we start to take our chances on a regular basis) considering the way we are playing and the players we have coming back into the squad.

Considering the poor start we had (four straight defeats), I think we have turned our season around quite nicely and it is great that we are level with last season and poised to kick on into the new year.

Wolves and Brighton are only going to get worse in my opinion, Watford can't keep up their form all season (surely??) and even the likes of Bournemouth will drop off a bit with an injury or two.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby Up the Junction on Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:25 pm

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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby CRFC Hammer on Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:41 am

This weekend’s matches with last seasons result and current benchmark points
Cardiff City (-5) v Brighton & Hove Albion (-1) 1-1
Crystal Palace (1) v Tottenham Hotspur (3) 0-1
Huddersfield Town (-3) v West Ham United (0) 1-4
Leicester City (1) v Burnley (-6) 1-0
Newcastle United (-6) v Bournemouth (3) 0-1
Southampton (-3) v Watford (8) 0-2
Arsenal (5) v Wolverhampton Wanderers (7) 2-1
Chelsea (5) v Everton (3) 2-0
Liverpool (4) v Fulham (-3) 0-0
Manchester City (1) v Manchester United (-5) 2-3

The CROPTA stats reckon the 3 games most likely to produce the same result are at Crystal Palace, Arsenal and Chelsea. CROPTA stats so far, 6 out of 9 predictions correct.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby Clacton-ammer on Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:59 am

For me, we are very hit & miss still with not sure what West Ham are turning up, nothing new there I hear you cry :D

The difference is, when we hit, this is the best football I have seen since last year at the BG.

Stats are stats are stats etc. Excluding our owners/athletics bowl, this is the most confident I have felt for some time regarding the actual team/football being played.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby sutts07 on Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:25 am

Clacton-ammer wrote:For me, we are very hit & miss still with not sure what West Ham are turning up


I think on the whole, the same West Ham turn up each week to be honest. We play some decent stuff, knock it about well and get into good attacking positions.

Our results this season have come down to two things by and large;

- us making mistakes / gifting cheap goals
- us taking our chances

If we can cut out the first and consistently do the second, we will go on a pretty decent run. The overall performances have been OK since the Bournemouth game to be fair.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby Clacton-ammer on Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:02 pm

Do you think Sutts? As I have knocked my ST I am relying heavily on the TV, plus 3 away games.

I'm not so sure, the attitude has been a bit off at times, I am using the word attitude, perhaps wrongly, but when we are slightly off it affects our fluidity with the ball & movement. As I said though, when on it, we are playing some really nice entertaining stuff.
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Re: 2018/19 Benchmark Thread

Postby sutts07 on Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:12 pm

Absolutely, I think we were the better team in the Brighton game, had just as much of the game as Wolves did (despite not playing great) and were far from out of it against Spurs too.

Three mistakes / lapses of concentration leading to three 1-0 defeats. We also had chances to score in all three games to make them 1-0 wins and didn't take them. Same for the 0-0 against Chelsea, we had a glorious chance to win that and missed it.

Leicester were also very lucky to get something out of the game with us too. We were minutes and an unlucky deflection away from all three points despite playing with ten men for an hour.

That is a max swing of 13 points right there, just by taking our chances and not gifting soft goals. We could be right up there in the mix.

It took us a while to click but there has been a steady incline week on week ever since the Liverpool shambles.
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