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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby BondsoBob on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:19 pm

Briggsy wrote:The old cup vs league discussions.

Realistically, over the next 10 years, we probably won't win a cup & probably will get relegated.


And that is probably, sadly, correct.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby Gsbgsb on Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:29 pm

Why should we “probably get relegated”.

I do not discount it as a “possibility” but with proper investment (different question accepted - that is unlikely until we get new owners who both have the money and foresight to plan long term) I see no reason why it should be a probability. I am not suggesting we can become a Man Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool where there is a tradition of success and we will be lucky if we become a Chelsea or City where the owners buy it however a club like Everton, where I suspect they acknowledge relegation as a possibility but consider it remote, should be a viable model.

Dispose of the possibility by December (which we pretty much did this year despite a woeful start) and you can then focus on trying to win the FA Cup as by then the league will also likely be out of sight. Yes luck will play a part in the FA cup but there will be years like this year where maybe you could win it by facing only 1 or 2 of the top 6. Also you have a chance to win your own league and be “best of the rest” as well as possibly picking off one or more of the top 6 if the falter.

People differ I know but my fondest memories of West Ham are not of cup final wins, play off finals etc but of the 1985/86 season when we came so close to winning the league, the biggest downer not when Liverpool beat us in the FA cup but when Chelsea won at UP that year.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby BondsoBob on Thu Mar 14, 2019 9:30 pm

OK 'probably' get relegated is probably a bit strong. But 'possibly' is quite possible. :wink:
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby brownout on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:50 pm

So now we have to reply on Man City winning the FA Cup, as well as us overtaking Wolves & Watford.
Maybe to our advantage that Wolves have FA Cup semi final (and maybe final) and that we have to play Watford.
Leicester not out of it either.
But are we good enough anyway?
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby aaronhammer on Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:59 pm

One hope would be that both Wolves and Watford will have eyes on the cup. Man City will be very disappointed to not lift it this season. I can see a maximum of 9 points for us in the remainder of the season, which puts us on 51 points. I don’t see Wolves not getting 8 points with their fixtures but we can past Watford with theirs.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby Pop Robson on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:00 pm

Keeps the season going for us fans,

Good enough yeah, effort wise no chance

Plus do those upstairs want the Europa League group stages
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby Kialos on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:01 pm

The team does not have a good enough attitude or work ethic for 7th.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby Puff Daddy on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:02 pm

Kialos wrote:The team does not have a good enough attitude or work ethic for 7th.


Ain't that the truth
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby arlhe on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:04 pm

We've not been realistically in the hunt since the Wolves game. Any remote possibility vanished at Cardiff.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby brownout on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:08 pm

Looking at the points, fixtures and FA Cup factor, we are not out of it.
But I agree, we're just not good enough. Or bothered enough.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:14 pm

Wolves and Watford now got bigger fish to fry than coming 7th
Reckon we have a very good chance of coming 7th but will Manchester City win the cup?
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby bubbles1966 on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:15 pm

The chances of Europe going to 7th are receding. Both Wolves and Watford might be able to turn Man City over in a cup final.

The targets now have to be >50 points, >50 goals , neutral GD. Going the final three unbeaten at home would mean being unbeaten in 2019 at Stratford as well.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby Crouchend_Hammer on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:17 pm

Could be a similar situation to 2015/16 when we had to rely on Man u coming from behind to beat Palace
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby bubbles1966 on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:22 pm

I wouldn't rule Leicester out of 7th, while both Wolves and Watford must fancy their chances now in the cup.

Our game v Man U is between their games v Barcelona - if we were at it, I'd fancy us. We won't be, but if we were...

We have chelsea a few days before they play Slavia Prague in the QF for the EL.

Watford on the last day if they are in a cup final should be a certain win.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby EastleighHammer16 on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:27 pm

bubbles1966 wrote:I wouldn't rule Leicester out of 7th, while both Wolves and Watford must fancy their chances now in the cup.

Our game v Man U is between their games v Barcelona - if we were at it, I'd fancy us. We won't be, but if we were...

We have chelsea a few days before they play Slavia Prague in the QF for the EL.

Watford on the last day if they are in a cup final should be a certain win.

We've played well against the top teams this season. Think i saw earlier that we have the 2nd best record against the top 6 behind Wolves (for teams outside the top 6 i assume). No reason why we won't continue that trend in April.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby LeonRivers on Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:53 pm

bubbles1966 wrote:Watford on the last day if they are in a cup final should be a certain win.

Not if they bring lasagne.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby prophet:marginal on Sun Mar 17, 2019 12:18 am

I personally blame the lasagne for our cup defeat a week or so later.

We were never going to beat THFC and LFC in consecutive matches.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby aaronhammer on Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:13 am

So we know if Man City wins the FA Cup Europa goes to 7th.

What happens if Man Utd/Chelsea/Tottenham/Arsenal were to win a European Trophy but finish in a Europa spot? I know they are then into the Champions League but does their Europa spot get handed down or does it go to another country? Basically could 8th get Europa?
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby ironilunga on Sun Mar 17, 2019 8:17 am

prophet:marginal wrote:I personally blame the lasagne for our cup defeat a week or so later.


Reasons for our exit were indeed multi layered.
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Re: The Battle for 7th

Postby thejackhammer on Sun Mar 17, 2019 9:03 am

aaronhammer wrote:So we know if Man City wins the FA Cup Europa goes to 7th.

What happens if Man Utd/Chelsea/Tottenham/Arsenal were to win a European Trophy but finish in a Europa spot? I know they are then into the Champions League but does their Europa spot get handed down or does it go to another country? Basically could 8th get Europa?


England are allowed 7 European spots.

In the above scenario we would have 5 Champions League teams and two Europa League teams.
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