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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby mental hamster666 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:34 pm

Why's there no big breasted, hairy muffed, streakers anymore, instead of violent pissed up arseheads??
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby e17 on Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:41 pm

BondsoBob wrote:Not in any way condoning this, or indeed making light of it.
But I'm pretty sure this kind of thing has happened more than a few times in the past in Britain. But back in the day it was more or less shrugged off.
And everyone just got on with it. As happened with the Willie Donnachie episode at Upton Park.
And pitch invasions were a regular occurrence in the 70's and 80's. And I have even read of them occurring in the 19th century.

There weren’t forums and the internet to discuss them, that’s really the main difference.
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Postby Georgee Paris on Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:43 pm

They will probably start putting marksman near the cameras soon so that any pitch invaders can be neutralised
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Postby Puff Daddy on Mon Mar 11, 2019 7:46 pm

Monkey Mike wrote:Sentenced to 14 weeks in prison.


He's got curry to look forward to this Friday and every Friday thereafter for the next 14 weeks
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby Albie Beck on Mon Mar 11, 2019 9:41 pm

BondsoBob wrote:Not in any way condoning this, or indeed making light of it.
But I'm pretty sure this kind of thing has happened more than a few times in the past in Britain. But back in the day it was more or less shrugged off.
And everyone just got on with it. As happened with the Willie Donnachie episode at Upton Park.
And pitch invasions were a regular occurrence in the 70's and 80's. And I have even read of them occurring in the 19th century.

It wasn't shrugged off though, was it? That's why we eventually got fences. And that led to Hillsborough and many other near-misses.
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Postby Big George on Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:11 pm

Listening to the Monday night club on 5 Live and almost inevitably this has turned into a crusade against all football fans.

David Cotteriill calling for armed police at games.

Ian Wright calling for “big burly stewards” who can deal with “Blokes with ten points inside them”

Prepare yourself for the return of the snatch squads, heavy handed stewarding, power crazy “professional” stewards who are anything but.

It will be the ordinary fan who pays sthe price for this mess.
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Postby RichieRiv on Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:25 pm

Francoisvander or else wrote:19000 assaults in the NHS in 2016-17
1050 assaults on London Transport emplyees
477 teachers for the same period

None are acceptable, looks like he got off lightly


Yet this is going to get more air time than that, because the victim is a footballer.

What a sad world we live in.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby Samba on Tue Mar 12, 2019 1:10 am

Estuary wrote:Man City, Willie Donachie copped the punch, not sure what year, at a guess '78.

Ding ding! We have a winner. First one to say it, well done Estuary!
Sat 27/08/77:
Third game of the season & a third defeat (second one at home). The incident turned out to be a bit of a portentous omen for the rest of the season where we would end up being relegated after 20 years in the top flight..

'Thunder and lightning and a passing cloudburst just before half-time; a senseless young supporter on the field attacking Donachie as he was cautioned for a tackle on Devonshire. an event which will be reported to higher authority by the referee; an outstanding save by each goalkeeper, Corrigan and Day;
and at the end of the day West Ham United’s third successive defeat in a week as they lost 1-0 to Manchester City through a goal by Royle five minutes after the interval. Such was the sum of events at Upton Park.
Without their driving captain, Bonds, or their coordinator, Brooking, who are part of a lengthy injury list, West Ham have again made a depressing start after fighting the threat of relegation all last season. They are part of the cloud that hangs over London’s first division clubs, who have so far totalled only two wins in 12 matches.

Yet they will play far worse than this and win. They had a greater share of the ball and built approach play neatly, only to fail where it most mattered, inside the penalty box. Their major fault here was to loft too many high lobs into the Manchester area, where a tall and physically strong City defence, in the persons of Watson (none too particular in his toppling of opponents, particularly Radford), Booth, Doyle, Clements and Corrigan were always masters of any aerial combat.
West Ham had planned quick low crosses to the near posts to outwit this big rearguard, then signally failed to carry out their stratagem. Basically, too they are in urgent need of a finisher. Radford has been with them for eight months as a striker yet still searches for his first goal.

On Saturday he seemed to have broken his duck when, for once, he eluded Watson (who seemed to climb on his back most of the afternoon) to head Lampard’s free kick firmly to the top corner. But there was the giant Corrigan stretching like an elastic band to achieve a great fingertip save.
Day, too, pulled off a dazzling reflex save at the other end to deny City. When Watson shot Tueart’s corner first time, the ball was diverted by Booth in a crowded area, yet Day somehow changed direction in mid-air like a swallow to palm the ball away.
All this was positive action in an open enough game, yet curiously, when the winning goal arrived it came as something of an apology. Royle and the probing Tueart set the hard running Channon free on the right; and when Royle was up to meet Channon’s low pass close in, the shot was a partial miscue, as it limped home like a deflated balloon on crutches.'
GEOFFREY GREEN WRITING IN THE TIMES 29TH AUGUST 1977.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby WestHamByTheSea on Tue Mar 12, 2019 2:18 am

Ludeksgloves wrote:Drunk Danish supporter ran onto the pitch and hit the ref during a Denmark-Sweden international about 10 years ago. Recieved a lifetime ban to ALL danish football stadiums + a £90000 fine.

Must have been one hell of a hangover.


If Carlsberg did pitch invasions...

I remember a story about Peter Withe (don't recall who he was playing for at the time) scoring a goal at the old Den, and getting confused about where his own supporters were, ran over to the terrace arms aloft, only to find out too late he was at the Millwall end, and got a proper clump. I doubt this was unique in the 70's/80's.


I know it's a generalisation but still, ironsonthebrain alluded to it and there is some truth there - Birmingham are a horrid little club, and the general response from their fans to this moby as he was escorted from the pitch is pretty telling. A few of their better fans have mentioned how the club has tried to rectify its issues, which suggests there's been a problem all along. Sadly this problem isn't confined to BCFC, but they are a horrible little mob - for a club in the centre of and holding the name of England's 2nd city, they have a more provincial and paranoid mentality than my local side, little old AFCB.

Their steward after Grealish scored is evidence enough. Can't believe Colin hasn't managed them yet.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby paul dhammer on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:03 am

I seem to remember someone running onto the pitch from the chicken run and try and give Malcolm Macdonald a dig after he had put arsenal 2-0 up. Maybe 1977-78 season? we drew 2-2.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby westham,eggyandchips on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:28 am

BondsoBob wrote:Vaguely remember this happening. But can't remember the details. It was all forgotten about after around 5 minutes.
This episode with Grealish and Villa will carry on for ages. It's the way people are now days.


'Nowadays' it'll be forgotten until something else controversial happens...... like Liverpool not being awarded a penalty.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby hammerleroy on Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:10 pm

Remember someone in the Chicken Run chucking a cup of coffee in Chelsea's Doug Rougvie's face after he unloaded Mark Ward. Memo to Doug, keep away from the Chicken Run early in the second half when the punters are still supping their coffee! Not sure if this was the famous 5-3 but if it was when Cottee got the fifth some guy in braces got out of the Chicken Run and started performing somersaults! Bloody hilarious! Know this doesn't quite fit the thread as no-one would attack hard-nut Rougvie although he took this well just staring at his assailant coffee running down his face.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby 3times on Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:23 pm

Remember Alvin (I think) and John Fashanu having a little debate that meant them leaning over the wall in the chicken run - fair few bods started throwing punches at Fashanu who, to be fair, laughed it off when he got up.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby mushy on Tue Mar 12, 2019 12:40 pm

The outrage barometer reached peak levels this morning with Alan Brazil absolutely apoplectic about the so called lenient sentence dished out, his sidekick that twank Ray Parlour reckoned he should of got 2 years.
We are then treated to the usual unchallenged nonsense that he will be out in 6/7 weeks on parole , and it makes justice a joke.

Does anyone on here think the sentence fitted the crime?

I honestly don't know the answer.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby Samba on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:28 pm

mushy wrote:Does anyone on here think the sentence fitted the crime?
I honestly don't know the answer.

Possibly, mushy.
A bit of time in nick? Well that's f**ked a lot of his life up for a long time ahead & not able to attend any games for ten years? That's a lot of time to regret what he did.
Did he get a fine, as well?
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby prophet:marginal on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:32 pm

mushy wrote:The outrage barometer reached peak levels this morning with Alan Brazil absolutely apoplectic about the so called lenient sentence dished out, his sidekick that twank Ray Parlour reckoned he should of got 2 years.
We are then treated to the usual unchallenged nonsense that he will be out in 6/7 weeks on parole , and it makes justice a joke.

Does anyone on here think the sentence fitted the crime?

I honestly don't know the answer.


Mushy

The defendant was charged with what they call a 'summary offence' - i.e. one that can only be finalised in the Magistrates Court.

They have two golden rules, as follows:

1. they cannot pass a sentence longer than 6 months, and, by law,
2. they must deduct 33% of the sentence, if the defendant pleads guilty at his first possible opportunity.

So, the maximum they could have passed, on the things he was charged, was 6 months, divided by 2/3, i.e. 4 months.

The prison authorities also must by law release such a prisoner after half of his sentence, so that the remainder is 'served' on licence.

Its just about possible that they could have charged affray, on the facts of the case, but the justice system and CPS are in bits at the moment and they charge everything at the least point of resistance.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby Daggers on Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:45 pm

I remember v Arsenal in 1978, I recall the fan came out of the west side though & took a swing at MacDonald
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby mushy on Tue Mar 12, 2019 9:41 pm

Thanks PM, its more or less what I thought.

Is it also true that he gets no parole because its under 6 months?
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby prophet:marginal on Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:03 pm

Parole only applies in certain limited circumstances; 90 or so per cent of inmates get to halfway point and are automatically released on licence - a set of conditions to reduce the chance of re-offending.

So, the St. Andrews warrior does half his time inside and half at home, on licence.

He's then also subject to post-release supervision.
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Re: Spectator hitting an opposition player, quiz.

Postby WHU Independent on Tue Mar 12, 2019 11:26 pm

If you run on the pitch from the stand, hit a player ----- you get 14 weeks inside, a criminal record, probably lose your job and a life time ban from attending the ground - fair play.

But if you jump off the pitch into the stand, karate kick a supporter al la Cantona ---- You get suspended until the end of the season and fined £20,000, with the Football Association then extending his ban until October and fining him a further £10,000.

He was also sentenced to 14 days in prison by a magistrate after pleading guilty to common assault, but that was overturned by a judge at the end of March, who ruled the player should not be jailed simply because he is a public figure.

He was given 120 hours' community service instead.

One rule for them, another for us.
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