pharaoh wrote:Moore would have got in but he would have put in Greaves. Peters probably not made the squad.
I beg to differ.
Ramsey was one of Peters' biggest fans, "10 years ahead of his time" was the famous quote.
Greaves did start the tournament, Hurst was brought in when Greaves was injured and Ramsey decided to keep him when Greaves regained fitness.
WCpete wrote:So you don't think there would be people who take that statement and absolutely run with it?
Sorry I'm not sure what point you're making. The original quote was clearly fake, there is no way in a million years that Kane wouldn't realise we were out if we lost.
Rocketron wrote:
I beg to differ.
Ramsey was one of Peters' biggest fans, "10 years ahead of his time" was the famous quote.
Greaves did start the tournament, Hurst was brought in when Greaves was injured and Ramsey decided to keep him when Greaves regained fitness.
Sorry but I was talking of the modern day with Hodgson in charge. What you say is correct.
pharaoh wrote:Moore would have got in but he would have put in Greaves. Peters probably not made the squad.
Jack Charlton said that Ramsey told him that he wasn't the best centre-half available for England but he was the most suited for the system Alf wanted to play.This was 50 years ago and what we subsequently learned was that this was exactly the correct way to manage the national team.Yet yesterday we witnessed a manager trying to shoehorn multiple players into unfamiliar positions or playing unfit because they play for "top" teams.A manager on 4 million quid a year who completely ignored and disregarded anything our only successful national manager knew to be the right thing.
Ahh...thanks for that man...I'm not on twitter so hadn't seen that. Thought it was somewhat strange yet I still stand by my observations - Joe Hart - you DO need to seriously look at yourself (or even better, retire from international football altogether)...and yeah, Kane - the light's on but nobody's in. :lol:
Sloffy wrote:Another player I would've took - not one of ours - is Ryan Shawcross.
Say what you like about him, but neither of those goals last night would've got past him.
I hate Hodgson. Really do.
Anyway what a difference 50 years makes. 1966 West Ham win the World Cup. 2016 Tottenham lose to f###ing Iceland
Agree. I know Shawcross is liable to give away stupid fouls but so are Cahill and Smalling and they're nowhere near as organised and commanding as Shawcross is. He'd sure as hell organise and tell other players what to do and where to be. We desperately need a natural leader on the pitch and preferably in defence and not halfway up the pitch. Someone vocal and with good spacial awareness. Dare I say it....someone like a John Terry?
As I've said previously, pick a team not just from the big clubs. Players not even necessarily super talented but just good honest hardworking types and get the team spirit and ethics right. A Wimbledon or Ipswich from yesteryear wouldn't have lost to Iceland.
Sloffy wrote:Another player I would've took - not one of ours - is Ryan Shawcross.
Say what you like about him, but neither of those goals last night would've got past him.
I'm not against Shawcross being in the squad but he couldn't have stopped the first goal. There was a general lack of organisation but the big single factor was Walker not marking his man properly, if he does his job then he keeps goal side of the Iceland player and he can't score unless he does something brilliant, instead Walker let him run through and score. How difficult is it to to do a basic thing like mark someone rather than ball watch?