England vs Wales
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- carnage
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Re: England vs Wales
Rooney was our best player in both games though.
We have played quite well in both games, better going forward than most teams. The problem in the first 2 games was Kane and Sterling, not Rooney.
We have played quite well in both games, better going forward than most teams. The problem in the first 2 games was Kane and Sterling, not Rooney.
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If he picks a top heavy squad, he should play a top heavy side. No point in being cautious, if attack is our best form of defense.
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Reminiscent of Italia 90 when an obstinate old fool stumbled on his best line up and formation. Let's hope the current old fool let's it run
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This is part of the new rules isn't it concerning offside?Boo Boo wrote:Richard Keys on the Vardy goal.
"Somehow the officials have got that right - but surely the lino should still flag?"
Be careful what you flag for Dick.
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What a bizarre thing to say (Keys that is, not Boo Boo).Boo Boo wrote:Richard Keys on the Vardy goal.
"Somehow the officials have got that right - but surely the lino should still flag?"
Be careful what you flag for Dick.
Somehow the officials got it right? Huh? What's the 'somehow'?
The officials got it right, plain and simple.
Why should the "lino" have flagged? Vardy was in an ONside position the last time an England player played the ball forward. The ref was very well positioned to see this and who had headed the ball down.
It wasn't a case of 'In an offside position but not interfering," or "in an offside position but during a different passage of play."
He quite simply wasn't offside.
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Re: England vs Wales
I agree.carnage wrote:
We have played quite well in both games, better going forward than most teams. The problem in the first 2 games was Kane and Sterling, not Rooney.
Having watched at least a half of ALL the games in the Euros, I think England have been the most impressive I've seen so far. Both our opponents have adopted a negative approach, and we've managed to break them down, we've had good possession, and had loads of shots.
The Dier/Rooney combo seems to be really working well too.
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Completely agree, in Italia 90 the media and public did not realise how good our manager was and seemed to hope we would do badly-the rest of the world respect both of them though. Bobby Robson an old foolsteveherts66 wrote:Reminiscent of Italia 90 when an obstinate old fool stumbled on his best line up and formation. Let's hope the current old fool let's it run
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The difference of opinions on Rooney on here is fascinating
I thought he was our MOTM yesterday, & the biggest mistake in the Russia game was taking him off far too early for a player who then wandered away from that role & subsequently we lost that discipline & shape in the middle of the pitch. Up until that point it looked more like 2-0 than 1-1 for me.
I still think everything is too frenetic & hopefull, but fair play to Hodgson for bringing on a player in Vardy that stuck to the role of centre forward long enough for all of the balls being thrown in from the wing to stick.
I rate Kane, but I don't believe we would have ever scored in that second half with him on the pitch. I don't know if it's down to the lad playing too much football this season or he's just trying too hard to play in too many positions, but both games have been crying out for a goal hanger to just literally stand in the middle as the ball gets pumped in over & over. Vardy needed one cross to be that player.
It doesn't matter to me that he did sod all else. This team doesn't need a number 9 taking the corners & free kicks on the half way line. Hodgson deserves credit for getting it as right against Wales as he got it wrong against Russia.
I thought he was our MOTM yesterday, & the biggest mistake in the Russia game was taking him off far too early for a player who then wandered away from that role & subsequently we lost that discipline & shape in the middle of the pitch. Up until that point it looked more like 2-0 than 1-1 for me.
I still think everything is too frenetic & hopefull, but fair play to Hodgson for bringing on a player in Vardy that stuck to the role of centre forward long enough for all of the balls being thrown in from the wing to stick.
I rate Kane, but I don't believe we would have ever scored in that second half with him on the pitch. I don't know if it's down to the lad playing too much football this season or he's just trying too hard to play in too many positions, but both games have been crying out for a goal hanger to just literally stand in the middle as the ball gets pumped in over & over. Vardy needed one cross to be that player.
It doesn't matter to me that he did sod all else. This team doesn't need a number 9 taking the corners & free kicks on the half way line. Hodgson deserves credit for getting it as right against Wales as he got it wrong against Russia.
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Re: England vs Wales
Honestly? You probably didn't watch Italy play then. The Italians just bossed the game against Belgium. They made them look like a pretty ordinary team. I thought England did alright so far but way too many misunderstandings / misplaced passes for me. Will be interesting how they fare when a better opposition turns up.westham,eggyandchips wrote: I think England have been the most impressive I've seen so far.
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Being an Englishman living in Wales, the comments I've received after this game have been awful. Been told to "go back to my country" a few times. Wouldn't be acceptable if that was any other minority.
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you are in your country though...all part of Great Britain and the UK after all but sorry to hear that nevertheless mateJoey00 wrote:Being an Englishman living in Wales, the comments I've received after this game have been have been awful. Been told to "go back to my country" a few times. Wouldn't be acceptable if that was any other minority.
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England played well yesterday?
The stuff you read on here eh.
We (or Hodgson) went for it after going 1-0 down from a Bale free-kick which was miles out and Hart should of comfortably palmed away.
At no point did I think we played particularly good football. We played a lot better with Sturridge and Vardy I thought. But let's have it right, there was some awful passing from us yesterday, no players willing to take on their defenders at pace, and some dreadful 'row z' efforts.'
Wales were hard to break down though. We knew they would be.
The stuff you read on here eh.
We (or Hodgson) went for it after going 1-0 down from a Bale free-kick which was miles out and Hart should of comfortably palmed away.
At no point did I think we played particularly good football. We played a lot better with Sturridge and Vardy I thought. But let's have it right, there was some awful passing from us yesterday, no players willing to take on their defenders at pace, and some dreadful 'row z' efforts.'
Wales were hard to break down though. We knew they would be.
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I thought we done alright actually. The test will be when we meet a side that won't worry about us and just worry about their game going forward, more space, good and bad for us when that happens, we will need to score 2 to get a result.
Ali & Kane were disappointing, but would keep with Ali for the last group game, he has to come good, he is too good not too.
Apart from Italy, the so called "bigger" names all look very similar. Nothing to fear, we are on the right track.
Wales manager had very much sour grapes after, plus the Welsh players all bigged up about more passion etc, better team won though.
Saying all that about the Welsh build up being a little OTT, somewhat egg on their faces, I hope they go through with us.
Ali & Kane were disappointing, but would keep with Ali for the last group game, he has to come good, he is too good not too.
Apart from Italy, the so called "bigger" names all look very similar. Nothing to fear, we are on the right track.
Wales manager had very much sour grapes after, plus the Welsh players all bigged up about more passion etc, better team won though.
Saying all that about the Welsh build up being a little OTT, somewhat egg on their faces, I hope they go through with us.
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You watched a different game to me.giantsteps wrote:England played well yesterday?
The stuff you read on here eh.
We (or Hodgson) went for it after going 1-0 down from a Bale free-kick which was miles out and Hart should of comfortably palmed away.
At no point did I think we played particularly good football. We played a lot better with Sturridge and Vardy I thought. But let's have it right, there was some awful passing from us yesterday, no players willing to take on their defenders at pace, and some dreadful 'row z' efforts.'
Wales were hard to break down though. We knew they would be.
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I think a team who wants to have a go to beat us will provide both challenges and opportunities. Our defence will be tested but we will have more space to attack in. Wales parked the bus second half and we had to work and work to fashion opportunities. A more attacking opponent will leave gaps and I feel we can exploit them.Clacton-ammer wrote:I thought we done alright actually. The test will be when we meet a side that won't worry about us and just worry about their game going forward, more space, good and bad for us when that happens, we will need to score 2 to get a result.
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My only real beef yesterday is I felt we didn't move the ball quick enough, more pronounced in the first half but still happened in the second half.
And whilst Walker is a great outlet on the right, there wasn't as much quality into the box as I'd be hoping for.
Hopefully we're just getting into our stride.
And whilst Walker is a great outlet on the right, there wasn't as much quality into the box as I'd be hoping for.
Hopefully we're just getting into our stride.
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Which part of Wales do you live in , where did you watch the match and how did you behave afterwards ?Joey00 wrote:Being an Englishman living in Wales, the comments I've received after this game have been awful. Been told to "go back to my country" a few times. Wouldn't be acceptable if that was any other minority.
Still sorry to hear that - I think Football can sometimes bring out the worst in a lot of people .
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My biggest concern is that I see us struggling heavily against any attacking side that takes a 1-0 lead & then defends. Or I did until the second half yesterday.James P wrote:I think a team who wants to have a go to beat us will provide both challenges and opportunities. Our defence will be tested but we will have more space to attack in. Wales parked the bus second half and we had to work and work to fashion opportunities. A more attacking opponent will leave gaps and I feel we can exploit them.
I'd be starting with Vardy & Sturridge against Slovakia. Kane looks shattered.