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ageing hammer wrote:I fancy England to get past any of the teams mentioned that they could draw in the next round.
And then France will likely await - Then we can be the team defending for 120 minutes and hoping for penalties
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fmgod wrote:
I feel like we've turned into Blackpool/Burnley when they were in the Premier League, "the performances are really good but the results aren't".
A desperate comparison. When did England last lose a game? Considering the pool of players available we've done pretty good.

Some need to take their West ham goggles off for a little while and think before posting.
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westham,eggyandchips wrote:A desperate comparison. When did England last lose a game? Considering the pool of players available we've done pretty good.
One of the largest pools of players of any team in the competition, we are hardly Iceland. It is a joke we cannot find a winger, have a plan B and have someone that is at least a little bit creative (Barkley is the nearest in the squad and he warms the bench)
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With regards to England being in the "wrong half of the draw" , isn't it possible that France, Spain and Germany would also have preferred England to be in the other half ?

We're not a pub team , and none of those three are at there all time best , not by a long chalk, they've all got problems , the same as we have .

How confident would our players feel if they are lining up in the final having already beaten two of those three ?
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How confident would our players feel lining up in the final having beaten ANYONE? It's the final after all, but it's all pie in the sky at the moment. We do not look likely to get near to it whoever we play.
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westham,eggyandchips wrote: A desperate comparison. When did England last lose a game? Considering the pool of players available we've done pretty good.

Some need to take their West ham goggles off for a little while and think before posting.
We've won one tournament game in 7? Lose the next it's one in eight, How is that not similar to a Blackpool or Burnley. Its basically relegation form

P7 W1 D 3 L2 So 6 points from 21, disgusting

Wales have won more games in this tournament than we've won in the last two tournaments :lol:
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All the b*llocks and euphoria after we beat Wales was ridiculous, when the fact is we were lucky to beat Wales. We may have battered them second half, but it took a bit of poor defending and a skewed shot at his near post to beat Hennnesey, who still should have saved it and remember, it took us until the 92nd minute to score that winner. Then, they steamroller Russia 3-0, when for all our huffing an puffing, we could manage a scrapped 1-1 draw with them. We may, player for player, have the better eleven, but Wales is the better team
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Rooney infuriates me, why he now feels that he is some footballing quarterback is baffeling.
It's been said to death about Carroll not being there but we had other ways of changing formation. Why not sub Henderson, who was having a bad game, bring on Stones.
Revert to a back 3, pushing Clyne and Bertrand forward, tgen get Dier in the box as a makeshift target man.
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They play a system that suits their players. We play a system that suits the players we left behind. Damn straight we were lucky against wales, if they'd come at us they could've taken us. Even Slovakia looked like scoring on the very few attacking moments
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sendô wrote:If we'd played Slovakia first game and Russia last, the Russians would have had to come out and attack as they needed the win. We'd have topped the group with 7 points.

Slovakia did the same thing vs Wales, throwing people forward as they thought they were good enough to win.

All 3 teams set up defensive vs England as they knew they'd lose the possession and territory battle and would be better off hitting us on the break or playing for a draw.
Coulda shoulda,woulda. Moot post as it didn't happen.

England will play more effectively against teams that want to play. The knock out games will offer more opportunities for the likes of Vardy& Kane. It'll just be down to how the defense holds up as to whether you'll progress.

Roy has to take a lot of responsibility for the way you've set up, too. You've got the players, but not the team. As Bale referred to in the build up to Eng v Wal
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Hodgson has to take ALL the responsibility Welsh Iron
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If the Wales team is better than England, and England are so mediocre, it makes you wonder why everyone in the group (including Wales) were scared to play against England whilst willing to attack Wales.

England definitely should have done better and need to find a way to break past the walls we have been facing, but I doubt Wales would have done any better.
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If Wales and Slovakia hadn't been scared and actually went at us I think we'd have our bags packed already!
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Iron Mark wrote:If the Wales team is better than England, and England are so mediocre, it makes you wonder why everyone in the group (including Wales) were scared to play against England whilst willing to attack Wales.

England definitely should have done better and need to find a way to break past the walls we have been facing, but I doubt Wales would have done any better.
That's the point. Wales aren't a better team than England. They have a manager who can get more from his players than what ours can.
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Welsh Iron wrote: Coulda shoulda,woulda. Moot post as it didn't happen.
I'm not denying that, just making the observation in light of people saying Wales are better than England based purely on Wales beating Russia.
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'Oh if they'd tried to attack us we'd have wiped the flow with them, they played 19th century football.'

Didn't we all rip into Mourinho for saying exactly what we're saying now when they couldn't beat us? Stop making excuses, we werent good enough. These teams were scared of the name, not of the team, had Wales gone for the throat when they were 1-0 up and Roy put on his battalion of strikers we'd be on the plane.
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The point Bilic made last night when Ian Wright popped up about England dominating possession was brilliant. "you only had possession because the other team didn't want it" :lol:

I dread to think what is going to happen when a team decides to have a go at us. Cahill, Smalling and Hart look like 3 disasters waiting to happen, 2 if you take into account Hart already has.

Slightly optimistic the team might click next round, but overall I think Hodgson is out of his depth and not 100% sure what his best 11 is. Last night killed the slight momentum the team had following the Wales win.

I think it's important to be realistic, but expecting to see England come top of a group consisting of Wales, Slovakia and Russia isn't too much to ask. If they then come up against a streetwise Italian or German team for example and come unstuck, it becomes more acceptable for a young squad and easier to accept. I personally find what people accept as a 'good performance' by England worrying imo.
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I think if you compare last night to disappointments in the past like Algeria in 2010 or Nigeria in 2002 then you can be far more positive about last night. Yes we failed to put the ball in the goal but we created chances and we maintained strong offensive pressure. In the past when we've looked toothless we've been utterly dismal and barely been able to take the ball to the area. We looked like total strangers in those games. We've been far more cohesive in France.
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thejackhammer wrote:'Oh if they'd tried to attack us we'd have wiped the flow with them, they played 19th century football.'

Didn't we all rip into Mourinho for saying exactly what we're saying now when they couldn't beat us? Stop making excuses, we werent good enough. These teams were scared of the name, not of the team, had Wales gone for the throat when they were 1-0 up and Roy put on his battalion of strikers we'd be on the plane.
All completely hypothetical. Even if we had lost to Wales, which given they had absolutely no attacking threat after we scored our equaliser, was very unlikely, the result against Slovakia could have been completely different. Hodgson would likely have stuck with the 'first eleven' and we could have beaten Slovakia quite comfortably. Who knows

No different to saying if we hadn't let in a last minute goal to Russia we would have been on six points coming into the Slovakia game and, with confidence oozing, destroyed them 4-0. End result top of the group with 9 points

All we do know for certain is that we have qualified pretty comfortably without really hitting any great heights and are likely to have a 'second tier' team in Round 2 (Hungary or Iceland) which hopefully will provide passage into QF

Then, we will finally play a team who is interested in actually winning a game, and we can see how we cope with it

So far? 6.5/ 10. But plenty more twists and turns to come

As for Wales? Fair play, they have over-achieved to win the group, but if we had to meet them later in the competition i know who my money would be on, and it wouldn't be the leek munchers
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