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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby jacko on Tue Mar 20, 2018 7:58 pm

pablo jaye wrote:
Someone mentioned that to me that England never do well after a Lions tour - however, it didn't really affect the Irish that much, so a pretty pointless excuse as far as I am concerned. Amongst other things, England didn't appear to have the desire, or the wherewithal to make decisions on the pitch to improve things when the chips were down. Well done Ireland and to the other nations for some cracking games - Wales v France, Italy v Scotland, to name a couple


You’re wrong here actually. I read an article that said sexton has played 600 minutes of rugby since the lions and Farrell has played 1200 minutes. The Irish clubs are looked after better. Jones messed up by not resting the lions players for the autumn internationals.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby Loftyhammer on Wed Mar 21, 2018 11:16 am

pablo jaye wrote:
Someone mentioned that to me that England never do well after a Lions tour - however, it didn't really affect the Irish that much, so a pretty pointless excuse as far as I am concerned. Amongst other things, England didn't appear to have the desire, or the wherewithal to make decisions on the pitch to improve things when the chips were down. Well done Ireland and to the other nations for some cracking games - Wales v France, Italy v Scotland, to name a couple


You aren't comparing like for like....IRFU control exactly what their players do and when they do it. And more importantly, when they don't. Same for WRU and (I believe?) SRU.

The English clubs own & control the players...there is an agreement with the RFU re access; but it's a million miles away from any kind of control. I would be amazed if any of the Irish lads played much this coming weekend in Pro14, but can you imagine Sarries not playing Itoje, Farrell & Mako vs. Quins? Then there is Europe the week after...etc.etc.

Don't get me wrong, England have some fundamental issues and Ireland are very well deserved winners of the Grand Slam - but you can't underestimate the impact of proper control over players
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby dave_l on Fri Mar 23, 2018 7:40 pm

Loftyhammer wrote:You aren't comparing like for like....IRFU control exactly what their players do and when they do it. And more importantly, when they don't. Same for WRU and (I believe?) SRU.

The English clubs own & control the players...there is an agreement with the RFU re access; but it's a million miles away from any kind of control. I would be amazed if any of the Irish lads played much this coming weekend in Pro14, but can you imagine Sarries not playing Itoje, Farrell & Mako vs. Quins? Then there is Europe the week after...etc.etc.

Don't get me wrong, England have some fundamental issues and Ireland are very well deserved winners of the Grand Slam - but you can't underestimate the impact of proper control over players


Yep agreed. It's a hugely different set up and the effect of it can't be underestimated. The Premiership is intensely competitive with relegation and various European levels of qualification too. That level of competition doesn't exist in the pro 14.

That said Sarries have actually benched most of their England contingent with the exception of Wigglesworth. Quins are playing Robshaw, Brown and Care but two of those didn't start and they haven't got a European match to play next week.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby bristolhammerfc on Mon Apr 09, 2018 7:54 am

Congratulations on Bristol making it back to the premiership. Good foundation to stay up this time.

Madigan and Morahan have been outstanding.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby Tenbury on Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:11 pm

Brizzer,
I think the financial structure is the hardest bit. I know couple of people with strong connections to the Warriors, good ground,good side, good crowd, finances all over the place..
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby bristolhammerfc on Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:04 pm

Agreed. Interesting that our top player for next season is reported to be on a million a year which in rugby terms is crazy.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby BromleyHammer on Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:46 am

Try being a Quin, almost as bad as being a hammer. Congratulations to Bristol, a city that big deserves premiership rugby. I think Exeter have got it in the bag this year, but you never know with the play offs. I fancy Racing for the EC.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby dave_l on Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:58 am

BromleyHammer wrote:Try being a Quin, almost as bad as being a hammer. Congratulations to Bristol, a city that big deserves premiership rugby. I think Exeter have got it in the bag this year, but you never know with the play offs. I fancy Racing for the EC.


It has been a truly awful season hasn't it. John Kingston = Glenn Roeder. Get the appointment wrong and relegation beckons.

bristolhammerfc wrote:Agreed. Interesting that our top player for next season is reported to be on a million a year which in rugby terms is crazy.


Completely unsustainable. Moneymen will ruin rugby in England before long in the same way premiership football is screwed. Congratulations to Bristol though should be in the premiership, although there no excuse not to get promoted with that team and no play offs!
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby bristolhammerfc on Thu Apr 19, 2018 10:08 am

Disappointed with the re branding though.

Now Bristol Bears, all to appease the Americans and a younger demographic.

The city has no connections with Bears and the badge looks like a Panda.

All this AFTER I had spent a grand renewing season tickets for the family
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby Tenbury on Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:06 pm

Hartley out of the SA tour, this concussion issue is quite a challenge. Whatever, a great chance for George, and who'll be the new skipper?
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby DasNutNock on Tue Apr 24, 2018 1:30 pm

OF will get the captaincy. Could see Itoje being given the VC position.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby Tenbury on Wed Apr 25, 2018 7:46 am

I think that's exactly what Itoje needs. Probably one of the best young forwards in years, becomes established in the side, looked a bit jaded last season, needs that extra responsibility to go forward.
I feel sorry for Hartley, but ,as must be obvious, I 've never really rated him as a WC winning captain, and George ,for me, is a much more mobile number 2, and the best sides have forwards as mobile,skilfull in handling the ball and fast as top class backs were 20 years ago. Same as Otoje really, this tour is make or break for him.
I know as far as England goes the 6nations was pretty much a disaster, but I honestly feel that ,in that competition,they are on a hiding to nothing...it's huge for Wales,Scot,Ireland to beat them,and they always raise their game. The WC is the prize for England, I'm really looking forward to this tour.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby DasNutNock on Wed Apr 25, 2018 9:39 am

Hartley was a vital figure in the transition from Lancaster to Jones. Under Lancaster, England had lost all their edge and had become apologetic and desperate to shake off the arrogant tag that's followed them for decades. Jones decided to bring that back, and Hartley was his figurehead on that front - confrontational, spiky and arrogant.

He clearly has his limits as a player, but there is absolutely no doubt how important he was in that transitional phase. I'd like Itoje to become the ultimate figurehead of this England side, and anything to get his mojo back should be encouraged. I think it's a bit of a myth that he's been "found out" by the opposition, he just needs to get his energy levels back to where they were when he first burst onto the scene.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby Tenbury on Wed Apr 25, 2018 10:45 am

I 'm still agreeing.
The only thing to 'find out' re Otoje is he's a quality player! ( Quite like Simmonds too).
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby WestHamIFC on Wed May 30, 2018 1:36 pm

Despite being soundly beaten we had a fantastic time @ the Final on Saturday. First time me & my son got to see the Chiefs in action. Amazing fans the Exeter supporters, the ‘Tomahawk Chop’ is so simply and yet so effective in creating an atmosphere that echoed all around Twickenham. My 11-year-old loved it, now begging me to take him on a Road Trip to Sandy Park next season!

Credit to Saracens – they were just too good on the day. But we’ll take solace in topping the league by 8 points and previously beating Sarries in the league both Home & Away :wink: .

We’ve got so much talent coming through the ranks, the future’s even brighter for the Chiefs!
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby Tenbury on Thu May 31, 2018 8:03 am

Fair play to the chiefs, they've built steadily year on year, and their progress has had a massive knock on effect for rugby in the SW. The Pirates,Launceston,Taunton etc, all progressive clubs.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby Kendo Nagasaki on Thu May 31, 2018 7:32 pm

Ashton’s hat trick against England was most amusing. Time to rethink this daft policy of blocking players from moving to France whilst still drafting in Samoans and Kiwis when it suits.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby The Old Man of Storr on Sun Jun 03, 2018 10:52 am

Ok , it was all a bit experimental and perhaps the game was devalued due to the amount of top players missing from both teams' line-ups but I'll take any win against South Africa .

Wales 22 South Africa 20 .

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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby dave_l on Sun Jun 03, 2018 6:24 pm

Kendo Nagasaki wrote:Ashton’s hat trick against England was most amusing. Time to rethink this daft policy of blocking players from moving to France whilst still drafting in Samoans and Kiwis when it suits.


The rule isn't the problem. He'd still be in England is Jones had picked him, he just thought "eff it, I'll make some money if I'm not going to be playing for England again. I'd always like to see him in the squad. He's a bit of a turnstile in defence but peerless in picking the right attacking lines.
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Re: The official KUMB Rugby Union Thread

Postby Tenbury on Mon Jun 04, 2018 11:50 am

I agree with Dan,what's the prob with players plying their trade in France etc? Seems to me that plenty of UK based fans are expected to, and do, travel over Europe for their sport, why can't the players?
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